• RUSH TRANSCRIPT: MSNBC EXCLUSIVE WITH JEB BUSH

     

     

     

    RUSH TRANSCRIPT: MSNBC EXCLUSIVE WITH JEB BUSH

     

    JULY 11, 2016 -- Below is a RUSH transcript of MSNBC’s exclusive one-on-one conversation between former Florida Governor Jeb Bush and Republican strategist Nicolle Wallace. 

     

    In his first public comments since Donald Trump became the presumptive Republican nominee, the former GOP presidential hopeful opens up about why he thinks “conservatism is temporarily dead,” how the “environment of reality TV” contributed to Trump’s rise, why he won’t vote for either Trump or Clinton in November, what he hopes to see in a VP pick, and how he and his family plan to watch the convention.  

     

    The candid discussion airs Monday at 10 p.m. ET on MSNBC as part of a special hour anchored by Rachel Maddow and Brian Williams. 

     

    Wallace is an MSNBC political analyst, former senior adviser in the McCain-Palin 2008 campaign, former communications director in the George W. Bush White House, and former press secretary to then-Governor Jeb Bush. 

     

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    - - - PART 1 - - - 

     

    JEB BUSH:

    I'm disappointed I didn't break through. This would have been an extraordinary time to serve as President. The country is desperately looking for leadership and I think it requires someone who is not always trying to win but to solve problems. And um, the way it turned out it didn't work out for me. So I wish I was in the game still for sure. 

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    Exactly a year ago this week, you were taking incoming from Hillary Clinton who was sure you were going to be the nominee and from Donald Trump who was behind you in the polls but gaining ground and I wonder if you went back. … The strategic assumption that you made, that Rubio made, that establishment Republicans made was to win that lane first and then take on the outsider bracket which I guess you could put Carson, and Trump, and Fiorina in, was that assumption wrong?

     

    JEB BUSH:

    Well in retrospect it's always easier to be brilliant about this. At the time I'm not sure it was wrong. I had to be who I am. I can't change. I'm not going to be going to a town hall meeting and spewing venom. It's not who I am. It's not why I wanted to run. If I had to be something different than I was, I wouldn't have run.

     

    //

     

    JEB BUSH:

    I'm not sure that in the environment we were in in 2016 -- partially created by this larger than life character, partially created by the media's coverage of him, that blocked out the sun effectively for anybody else. I spent most of my time doing press interviews commenting on what Donald Trump said. And if you--

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    About you. I mean, y-- you were his--

     

    JEB BUSH:

    Oh, yeah. Like, my favorite was -- I was in a townhall meeting and Trump was in one of his rallies in New Hampshire and he called me something I can't repeat. And Dana Bash from CNN was sent, summoned to my townhall meeting and said well you heard what Donald Trump called you and it's part of your anatomy which you used to not be able to mentioned. It ends in hole,

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    Thank you for that.

     

    JEB BUSH:

    So I'm like, and I knew what he said. And so I said, Dana I can't answer that until you tell me what he said. And she said well I can't say it. I said I can't answer it.

     

    ‘I can't say it.’ ‘I can't answer it.’ We went back and forth and finally she said ‘Alright, alright. He called you a ----’ and I walked away laughing. I mean, is that the way we're going to elect presidents? 

     

    //

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    So there was a moment - I've worked on winning campaigns and losing campaigns and there's always a moment where you sort of know. …  I think the South Carolina debate was the most extraordinary moment and I realized how much the party had changed when Donald Trump stood there and essentially blamed your brother for 9/11.

     

    JEB BUSH:

    To the left of Michael Moore.

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    Right. So what were those final days like? And what --

     

    JEB BUSH:

    I laugh only because it's like wow. That's a sea change where there wa uh, - look - everyone else piled on against him. 

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    But he won. He won South Carolina.

     

    JEB BUSH:

    He did win. And-- he won going away. And-- I was focused on back to the, you know, to the conversation about being—kind of going through the-- getting to the point where the field narrowed. And we had a chance in South Carolina. And that went away for a variety of reasons with--

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    You were in a three-way tie for second place.

     

    JEB BUSH:

    Yeah. Marco and-- and--

     

    (OVERTALK)

     

    JEB BUSH:

    --Cruz.

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    And what happened?

     

    JEB BUSH:

    Well-- Nikki Haley was a popular-- governor in South Carolina, endorsed Marco. That-- that clearly hurt. The pope intervening in American politics didn't help.

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    You're a Catholic blaming the pope.

     

    JEB BUSH:

    No, no, I'm not blaming-- (LAUGHTER) I mean, t-- been talking about basically open borders at a time when the whole Trump phenomena was to build a wall and let-- make Mexico pay for it where he goes-- literally goes to the border for a massive mass. And he had every right to preach the gospel there. But I don't think he should be intervening. I don't know if he understood that he was intervening in-- in our political affairs. That-- that generated a lot of news and kind of stopped the momentum, so.

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    But-- by-- how, it sort of froze the--

     

    JEB BUSH:

    No, the-- the news cycle was dominated by that. And Trump, you know, to his credit was very smart at exploiting these kind of opportunities. He's a master at understanding how the media works. More than anybody I've ever seen in politics. And kudos for him for kind of creating the environment and then manipulating the environment to this effect.

     

    The tragedy of this though is that there isn't going to be a wall built. And Mexico's not going to pay for it. And there's not going to be a ban on Muslims. None of that, this was all, like, a alternative universe that he created. The reality is that's not going to happen and people are going to be deeply frustrated and the divides will grow in our country. And this extraordinary country, still the greatest country on the face of the earth, will continue to stagger instead of soar. And that's the heartbreaking part of this is I think people are going to really feel betrayed.

     

    //

     

    JEB BUSH:

    Conservatism is temporarily dead. I mean, if you look at it, we have two candidates. Donald Trump is barely a Republican. He's certainly not a conservative.

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    And you tried to make that case. You put up an ad about how he's been--

     

    JEB BUSH:

    Yeah, like--

     

    (OVERTALK)

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    --why don't you think, the ad talked about his record on abortion which you think is abysmal. He doesn't even speak the language of a culture of life. His record on guns. He's been--

     

    (OVERTALK)

     

    JEB BUSH:

    Yeah.

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    --pretty hostile toward second amendment rights. And nobody cared. Why-- why, I mean, I agree with you that conservatism--

     

    (OVERTALK)

     

    JEB BUSH:

    But they care beyond the here and now, this presidential race. I mean, the-- the conservative cause isn't just about the, you know, a presidential race. It's about core beliefs that, if implemented properly will lead people to a better life. And so I think outside of the hot presidential campaign, this message still resonates and it's still important. It certainly resonates around the country.

     

    //

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    The same people that voted for you twice, picked Trump. I mean, he won Florida in overwhelming--

     

    (OVERTALK)

     

    JEB BUSH:

    He did.

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    Did we -- I mean, it can't all be on Trump. Our voters wanted something else. Did we stop talking to them? Did we stop understanding them?

     

    (OVERTALK)

     

    JEB BUSH:

    They're-- the difference is-- no, I don't think so. I think the difference is people don't believe anything anybody says anymore.

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    Including you?

     

    (OVERTALK)

     

    JEB BUSH:

    In politics.

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    They didn't believe--

     

    JEB BUSH:

    Well, I didn't, I mean, I don't know if they even heard what I said. That's the point. They-- they-- they didn't-- they wanted their voice heard. They still do. They're angry for legitimate reasons. They latched onto the big horse. All of which is logical to me in retrospect. In the midst of it, it wasn't very logical. I mean--

     

    (OVERTALK)

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    In the midst of it were you like, "How does this hap--" I mean, what was--

     

    JEB BUSH:

    Well, it was, I mean, you talk to people and no one-- no wise person came to me in advance of what happened and said, "This is what's going to happen." Not a single person I know. Not a single person.

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    Nobody thought it was going to happen.

     

    JEB BUSH:

    No. And probably Donald Trump at the beginning didn't either. So, you know, kudos for the guy for his, you know, I think he just-- he plays by his gut. He sensed an opening -- this deep disaffection --  and he played it like a Stradivarius violin.

     

    //

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    I wonder if you replay Trump's insult against Mexicans, calling them rapists and murderers and-- and-- in the context of your wife, do you ever think of, "If I just slugged in the jaw in that first debate. And maybe I would've gone down. But maybe I would've done my party and my country a service by taking out the school yard bully." I have a four-year-old, I live in fear of--  he cyber bullied you--

     

    (OVERTALK)

     

    JEB BUSH:

    Yeah, I don't care about that. That's totally irrelevant.

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    But you've got kids. I mean, what he did in the context of the candidate would get any kid kicked out of any school in America.

     

    JEB BUSH:

    Well, it's not-- it wasn't me that-- it didn't bother me a bit. It was disparaging Hispanics, women, POWs … I found it deeply troubling. And I think if you check the record -- if someone actually takes the time, I doubt they will-- if you look at the campaign I spent most time pushing back on all that nonsense.

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    I know it was you. 

     

    JEB BUSH:

    By far and away. Everybody else was in the witness protection program for a while.

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    I mean, so how did we get here? We now are in--

     

    (OVERTALK)

     

    JEB BUSH:

    This is the environment of reality TV. It's a cultural--

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    It's the Kardashians fault?.

     

    JEB BUSH:

    No. It's us. It's not the Kardashians. The Kardashians wouldn't exist if we didn't enjoy watching them, right?

     

    //

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    I just wonder what this loss felt like in contrast to your father's, very noble--

     

    (OVERTALK)

     

    JEB BUSH:

    Yeah, well, he was-- yeah, and he was a president losing reelection after accomplishing things that under normal circumstances would've probably allowed him to be re-elected. In my case-- I'm-- I'm not taking therapy, I'm not seeing anybody.

     

    You know, I gave it my all, gave it my heart. I worked my tail off. And I'm not sure anything I could have done would have changed the outcome. There is some weird solace in that I guess that I don't have to think about it that much. … Looking back on it, I'm not sure what I could've done. Having a conservative record, offering conservative solutions, hopefully giving people a sense that I could've done the job wasn't-- wasn't enough. And it may not have ever been enough-- given the circumstances.

     

    So what-- kudos for Trump for winning the nomination. It was extraordinary. And you can't-- can't take that away from him. He's the presumptive nominee and he earned it. Now he needs to run for president. There's a difference. And we'll see how that works.

     

     

    - - - PART 2 - - -

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    This has been an election where the Republican establishment has been mightily and spectacularly bludgeoned. And so I feel like your decision to not vote leaves me without a northern light. How did you arrive at the decision not to vote?

     

    JEB BUSH:

    Well having watched history unfold kind of with a front row seat, I had as you might remember I had a brother who was President, a dad who was President--

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    Yeah I know him a little bit.

     

    JEB BUSH:

    --worked for Ronald Reagan. The simple fact is there's a threshold past which anybody that steps into the oval office must go past. And I don't think either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump pass that threshold. In terms of temperament, character, trust worthiness, integrity. So what do you do? I mean if you believe like I do the Presidency is sacred ground and you want a President that uphold the constitution and I don't believe that either one of the candidates fulfills that primary kind of objective, uh, I can't vote for either one of them. 

     

    There's other people running. There's the libertarian ticket of Gary Johnson and William Weld. I don't know. they don't get a lot of airtime yet. 

     

    I can't vote for Donald Trump and I can't vote for Hillary Clinton. It breaks my heart. 

    This is my first time in my adult life I'm confronted with this dilemma. 

     

    //

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    I didn't vote in 2008 and I think you only get one of those s decade. If you are a single issue voter. If you care about security. if you are a security mom, that's what we called them in 2004 - your brother's reelection.

     

    JEB BUSH:

    You didn't vote in 2008?

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    I didn't.

     

    JEB BUSH:

    What's up with that?

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    It's memorialized in an HBO movie. Well, why aren't you voting?

     

    JEB BUSH:

    Huh?

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    I didn't like my choices. Exact same reason you're not voting this year. You know Sarah Palin gave me serious pause. I thought if she were--

     

    JEB BUSH:

    John McCain. 

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    Well--

     

    JEB BUSH:

    Come on man.

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    How--

     

    JEB BUSH:

    Come on woman!

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    How is it any different?

     

    JEB BUSH:

    It's very different. 

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    How?  

     

    JEB BUSH:

    John McCain to Donald Trump.

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    Sarah Palin was his running mate. How is it any different to say I couldn't vote for Sarah Palin but you can't vote for Donald Trump?

     

    JEB BUSH:

    Because the Vice Presidency and the Presidency is different. And we had 17 candidates running this time, or 18, and I would have been, I would gladly supported any of the candidates--

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    Ben Carson? 

     

    JEB BUSH:

    I don't know. You know if Ben Carson ever got to the point where he was tested, but a lot of the governors, I would have been very comfortable with. John Kasich I thought ran a great campaign, And Rubio. Cruz. There are a lot of people. The bar's not that high for me. I'm not suggesting that you have to be a perfect candidate. I'm not a perfect candidate for presidency of the United States and I wouldn't have been a perfect president. I'm not suggesting that. But you got to get past a certain threshold and John McCain got over that hurdle in flying colors. That's just my own view.

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    What if nobody votes? I mean that's not what you want. You're the son and brother of two commanders in chief. We live in extraordinary times. I mean if ... 

     

    JEB BUSH:

    I respect people going through the process and saying this is a binary decision. I've heard that term, fancy language

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    Curtain number one, curtain number two - chicken or fish as Obama said.

     

    JEB BUSH:

    Yeah. I can't do it. I can't do it.

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    What should I do?

     

    JEB BUSH:

    You need to sort it out yourself. If you have a different way to approach this and it's a binary choice for you, fine.

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    Commander in chief test. What is the choice? Chicken or fish?

     

    JEB BUSH:

    Neither for me. And you're not going to get me to change that. This whole last two weeks with Hillary Clinton where she was indicted, effectively by the FBI director, you know, everything but the indictment took place, basically said that she lied. And there's a pattern there that is something that I can't get past. And Donald Trump does the exact same thing in a different way. We're in perilous times in our country and we need principled centered leadership. So as for me, I'm back in the private sector and my free time will be involved in education reform and helping principled centered conservatives get elected. 

     

    //

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    Can you understand and give a pass to Republicans who would say Hillary Clinton better understands this portion of the--

     

    JEB BUSH:

    Yeah, again, I-- I've reached my conclusion after deep thought and prayer about this. And I respect other people's views on this. I'm not passing judgment on how they reached their conclusion.

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    Is it a reasonable place to end up though?

     

    JEB BUSH:

    It's a reasonable place to end up as a conservative supporting Trump because you can't stand Hillary. And I could see why people would take the opposite and say on foreign policy issues, you know, I can't -- This is my life calling, this is what I've been involved in. But in my case I-- I don't trust Hillary Clinton. I don't think she'd be strong --

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    You can't get there on either one. 

     

    JEB BUSH:

    I don't think she'd be a strong leader in the-- on the world stage. She is-- her involvement in foreign policy has been disastrous. The reset button, Libya and other things and she's not been held to account yet.

     

     

    - - - PART 3 - - - 

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    All right. So it-- one week from today starts the Republican convention. You can watch?

     

    JEB BUSH:

    Yeah, I'll probably watch. Sure.

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    Will you be pulling for any outcome? There's sort of a last (UNINTEL) Trump (UNINTEL) plans have one more runner (UNINTEL). So you-- do you have-- are you pulling (UNINTEL) about whether they (UNINTEL) fail or do you hope that they make a statement that maybe makes him change the way he supported (?) himself.

     

    JEB BUSH:

    That'd be great if they could influence his-- his views on things. But then the question is can you trust it? Can you trust what he says because his views change at a drop, you know, drop of a hat.

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    You think it'll be good if they had some sort of final hold-off about-- at the convention to get maybe concessions on Muslim ban or on some more conservative, I mean, what's it like to (UNINTEL), I mean, I don't know--

     

    (OVERTALK)

     

    JEB BUSH:

    Yeah, I-- I think we need to defend and protect and advance the conservative cause, so.

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    Cheer at the TV if there's some sort of organized--

     

    (OVERTALK)

     

    JEB BUSH:

    I'll cheer at the TV if there's a platform that is talking about high-sustained economic growth, about calling a constitutional convention of the states if we can't get term limits and a balanced budget and then-- the things that are necessary to kind of restore the proper role of the federal government in our lives.

     

    // 

     

    JEB BUSH:

    It's about nominating Donald Trump as president and that's likely to happen, for sure. But it's also about giving a voice to the conservative cause, allowing people to remind themselves of what it-- what it is to be a conservative 'cause right now I think people have their doubts.

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    And if that's their narrow purpose (UNINTEL) convention (UNINTEL) and whatnot, that would be another opportunity to say-- that would be a good--

     

    JEB BUSH:

    Yeah.

     

    (NICOLLE WALLACE: UNINTEL)

     

    JEB BUSH:

    I think so. And to how I-- the next generation of talented people that are out there.

     

    //

     

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    Who do you think Trump will pick as a VP? Who should he?  Who do you think?

     

    JEB BUSH:

    I hope he picks someone that has some experience-- that knows how to make a tough decision in the political realm. It's not-- not the same thing. I've-- I've been in business a lot. You-- you-- there are tough decisions to be made in business.

     

    But in, you know, you don't have-- you have stakeholders. You have a variety of different people, you got constituents. You've got-- it's-- it's three-dimensional chess, not one-dimensional chess. And leadership there is a little more complex. It's important to be a leader. But having made tough decisions in the public -- and ha-- I mean, made mistakes. I mean, my best learning experience wasn't the ones where I got it right, it's where I got it wrong, so.

     

    (OVERTALK)

     

    JEB BUSH:

    --could be Christie, Chris has gone through the whole ringer of-- of making good decisions and probably a few bad ones along the way. He-- he has-- he's earned Trump's respect, it looks like. And someone who has a good personal relationship's important.

     

    But the-- I don't know. Who else is being con-- Mike Pence-- governor-- governors are safe 'cause they've, you know, you really have to-- you've learned a lot when you're out there being and doing. There are no guardrails as governor. There's no-- can't get into little protective bubbles. You're out there amongst people. And you have to defend your views and-- accept responsibility when you make a mistake and move on. That kind of experience I think will be helpful for Mr. Trump. 

     

     

    - - - PART 4 - - - 

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    So is it a scam?  Has Trump scammed our voters?

     

    JEB BUSH:

    I think it's-  there will be ample time to talk about that after the election.

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    It sounds like you think he scammed our voters.  

     

    JEB BUSH:

    I don't think we're going to build a wall beyond what's already been planned and Mexico's not going to pay for it.  I don't think we're going to ban Muslims. I think we need to reform our entitlement system. 

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    Stop right there and tell me (inaudible).  

     

    JEB BUSH:

    (LAUGHS)

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    No, but seriously- "scammed" might be too provocative a word but you know "The American President," Bob Rumson, is running his campaign telling you who to be afraid of and who to blame.  Is that what Donald Trump is? 

     

    JEB BUSH:

    He's not been specific about how he's going to fix the things that are broken.  He's been quite articulate about saying that things are broken. 

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    But you were the guy saying here's how to fix them and- 

     

    JEB BUSH:

    Yeah.  So at some point, over the long haul, when conservatives get back in the game and win the presidency, we need to not just say how bad things are, we need to offer compelling, a compelling path and a completely different direction.  And I'm confident we'll do that.  But um, it's not going to happen in this presidential election year.

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    He loses in a landslide, will any of you feel vindicated or- 

     

    JEB BUSH:

    I'll feel sad. 

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    If he wins, will you feel- 

     

    JEB BUSH:

    I'll be worried. 

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    So there's no good outcome for you?

     

    JEB BUSH:

    No.  That's why I can't vote for either candidate.  It's not- this is a decision that's painful for me.  I love my country like everybody else does and I see us languishing at a time when we should just be leading the world. 

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    You think your parents are going to vote for anybody?

     

    JEB BUSH:

    I don't know, I'm not really asking them. I don't want to ask.

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:

    Because you don't want to know or- 

     

    JEB BUSH:

    I don't want to know. Some things, parents just need to be doing their thing without knowing.  I don't want to know because I don't want to say.

     

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  • TRANSCRIPT: CHRIS HAYES SPEAKS WITH SEN. BERNIE SANDERS

     

    HAYES:  For three days in a row now, ever since he gave a scripted policy

    speech in an aluminum factor, the presumptive Republican presidential

    nominee Donald Trump has been focusing more than ever on one issue --

    trade.  Pretty clear the Trump campaign thinks this is the best issue they

    have.  Trump has criticized Hillary Clinton for being married to the man

    who signed NAFTA and for being less than convincing in her opposition to

    TPP. 

     

    And Trump explicitly says he agrees with Bernie Sanders on trade, trying to

    drive a wedge between Sanders supporters and Hillary Clinton. 

     

    (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

     

    DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESUMPTIVE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE:  I have to say one

    thing about Bernie, and he -- you know, he`ll be nasty and say, "Oh, I`d

    never vote for Trump," but that`s OK.  I know what he thinks inside.  He

    hates her.  He hates her. 

     

    You wouldn`t think this, but there is one thing that Bernie Sanders and I

    are in complete accord with, and that`s trade.  He said we`re being ripped

    off, I say we`re being ripped off.  I`ve been saying it for years, he`s

    been saying it for years. 

     

    (END VIDEO CLIP)

     

    HAYES:  And who better to respond to that than Senator Bernie Sanders,

    Democratic candidate for president. 

     

    All right, Senator.  Two claims made there.  I`ll take them in order. 

    Number one, Donald Trump says, whatever you say, you hate Hillary Clinton. 

    Is that true? 

     

    SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I-VT), DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE:  I know, he

    has read my mind.  What a man, what a genius. 

     

    No, the answer is, of course, Trump is lying as he always does.  No, I do

    not hate Secretary Clinton.  I`ve known her for 25 years.  I have a lot of

    respect for her.  We`ve worked together. 

     

    We have disagreements on issues, but to say that I hate her is absolutely

    untrue. 

     

    HAYES:  OK.  The second thing, though, and I -- it`s been -- I can only

    imagine how interesting you find this, given that how interesting I find

    it.  All of a sudden, Donald Trump, great crusader for better trade

    practices, the great hope for working America, he says he`s just picking up

    your mantel, you guys agree entirely, what say you to that? 

     

    SANDERS:  Well, is this before or after his companies manufacturing

    clothing in Bangladesh and in China and in other low-wage countries?  He`s

    now come to the conclusion that our trade policies are failing. 

     

    The truth is, you know, for many, many years, what I have understood, what

    I think most workers in this country have understood, what

    environmentalists have understood is that, in fact, our trade policies,

    from NAFTA, CAFTA, PNTR with China, to the TPP -- these are not policies

    that benefit the middle class and working families.  What they have done to

    a very significant degree have enabled large corporations to shut down in

    this country, throw American workers out on the street and move to low-wage

    nations. 

     

    And, by the way, Chris, in addition, it`s led to a race to the bottom,

    where workers are often given the choice of taking cuts in pay or health

    care or seeing their factories move abroad. 

     

    So, I think we have to rethink in a fundamental way, our unfettered free

    trade policies and move toward fair trade policies. 

     

    HAYES:  I want to talk about TPP, particularly as it pertains to the

    platform.  Before we get to that, though, we have this tweet from Rachel

    Martin of NPR, who said in an interview conducted with Vice President

    Biden, he just said, "I`ve talked to Bernie.  Bernie is going to endorse

    her."  Her being Hillary Clinton. 

     

    Is this true? 

     

    SANDERS:  I talked to Joe, I think it was three weeks ago. 

     

    Look, on that issue, we are trying to work with Secretary Clinton`s

    campaign on areas that we can agree on, where the people who supported me,

    we`ve got 12 million, 13 million votes.  And what they want to see, whether

    it is on making moving toward making public colleges and universities

    tuition-free, or moving very aggressively in terms of health care and

    moving toward a universal health care system, significantly expanding

    primary health care, those are the issues that we`re working with Secretary

    Clinton on now and I hope we can be successful. 

     

    HAYES:  But there is a difference.  You`ve made a distinction between

    voting and endorsing, right?  And we`ve seen, for instance, Elizabeth

    Warren, who did not endorse during the primary.  She has endorsed. 

     

    And that endorsement isn`t just "I`m going to vote for Hillary Clinton". 

    She`s been on the stump.  She`s been affirmatively praising her. 

     

    Is that something you can see yourself doing, or is it just the case that

    you`re never going to come to enough policy agreement with Hillary Clinton

    that you will ever be in that position? 

     

    SANDERS:  Well, Chris, let me back it up, by saying, I`m going to do

    everything that I can to defeat Donald Trump.  I think for a variety of

    reasons. 

     

    Number one, he`s a pathological liar.  That`s not a good quality to have in

    a president.  Number two, he wants to give hundreds of billions of dollars

    in tax breaks to the top 2/10 of 1 percent by repealing the estate tax.  He

    thinks that climate change is a hoax. 

     

    And maybe most importantly, we cannot have a president who goes around

    insulting Mexicans, and Latinos, and Muslims, and women and African

    Americans.  I mean, that`s outrageous. 

     

    So, I`m going to do everything that I can to see that Donald Trump is

    defeated.  I --

     

    HAYES:  What if "everything I can" means going to rallies and doing -- I

    mean, doing the kind of thing that is standard part of endorsing a party

    nominee?  Is that in that category of "everything you can"? 

     

    SANDERS:  Well, I think -- as I`ve just said, I mean, it`s not great

    secret.  We`re trying to do everything we can right now to make the

    Democratic platform, the most progressive platform in the history of the

    Democratic Party.

     

    And, by the way, we`re having good success.  I want to see that continue as

    the full committee meets in Orlando.  We are working.  I mean, as we speak,

    we are working with the Clinton campaign, trying to be able to come forward

    and say to my supporters out there, you know what, here`s the progress that

    we have made.  Hear what Secretary Clinton is saying on this issue and that

    issue that means a whole lot to you. 

     

    So I hope we can reach that goal.  We are not there at this moment. 

     

    HAYES:  OK, one issue outstanding and here`s -- what I`m hearing from you

    is basically the platform is very important to you, substantively.  It`s a

    substantive commitment of where the Democratic Party`s at.  You feel that

    you`ve made progress.  There are a number of things.  For instance,

    opposition to the death penalty, which hasn`t gotten a lot of attention but

    is a pretty big change for the Democratic Party. 

     

    SANDERS:  That`s right.  Wall Street, we got language in there that would

    call for the break-up of banks and the re-establishment of Glass-Steagall. 

    That`s a pretty big deal. 

     

    HAYES:  Right.  So, there`s been -- there have been some very significant

    substantive victories.  One area that was defeated was an anti-Trans

    Pacific Partnership plank in the platform.  And I want to read to you the

    account from "The Washington Post" which seems to be credible but would

    like to get your response. 

     

    They said, "According to the people with knowledge of the platform

    negotiations, Sanders used his post-primary meeting with the president to

    say he would push for the party to officially oppose TPP.  The president

    said he would not allow it.  And since then, the White House has leaned on

    key Democrats to make sure the platform did not include a rebuke."

     

    Is that an accurate characterization of what happened between you and the

    president? 

     

    SANDERS:  Well, I don`t want to talk about a discussion that I had with the

    president.  It`s not great secret that President Obama who I am very fond

    of, I have worked with him and supported him on so many issues and I think

    this country will owe him a deep debt of gratitude when he leaves office

    for all that he has accomplished. 

     

    On this issue, we have a fundamental disagreement.  I think TPP is a

    continuation of disastrous trade policies of the past and I`m not just --

    this is not just Bernie Sanders, this is every trade union in America,

    virtually every environmental group, groups like Doctors Without Borders,

    who understand that TPP will mean higher prescription drug costs for some

    of the poorest people in the world, who will die because they can`t get the

    generic medicine that they need. 

     

    So I am very strongly opposed to the TPP.  And in a democratic society,

    people can have differences of opinion.  That`s kind of, you know, a United

    States senator can disagree on an issue with the president. 

     

    HAYES:  I`m going to ask you just one more time on this Biden quote.  He

    said you talked to him and you said you would endorse Hillary Clinton.  Is

    that accurate?  Is Joe Biden telling the truth, or is this a loose

    interpretation of what you said? 

     

    SANDERS:  Wait -- well, Joe and I talked about three weeks ago and as I

    said, right now, my hope is that we can reach an agreement on some very

    important issues and I can go forward to the millions of people who

    supported me and say, look, this is the progress you`ve made, this is where

    we`re going to go as a country. 

     

    So I hope it happens.  As of this moment, we`re not there quite yet. 

     

    HAYES:  All right.  Senator Bernie Sanders, thank you for your time

    tonight.  I appreciate it. 

     

    SANDERS:  Thank you, Chris. 

     

     

     

  • MSNBC SHATTERS RATINGS RECORDS IN JUNE & 2ND QUARTER OF 2016

     

     

     

    MSNBC SHATTERS RATINGS RECORDS IN JUNE & 2ND QUARTER OF 2016

    MSNBC PRIME TOPS CNN IN TOTAL VIEWERS FOR JUNE & 2ND QUARTER “MORNING JOE” BEATS CNN IN TOTAL VIEWERS & DEMO, DELIVERS BIGGEST MORNING AUDIENCE IN NETWORK’S HISTORY DAYSIDE DELIVERS MOST-WATCHED QUARTER IN OVER THREE YEARS WITH SKY-HIGH GROWTH ACROSS THE BOARD

    JUNE 28, 2016 -- MSNBC broke ratings records across all key dayparts for both the month of June and the second quarter of 2016, and continues to post significantly higher year-to-year growth than its cable news competitors. MSNBC prime (8-11pm) beat CNN outright to rank #2 among total viewers for the quarter and delivered its biggest total viewer audience since 4Q12. At 9pm, “The Rachel Maddow Show” topped CNN in both total viewers and the demo – marking the 27th straight quarterly win over CNN in total viewers and the second straight in the demo. For the quarter, “Morning Joe” drew the biggest total viewer audience for the 6-9am timeslot in MSNBC’s history as well as the show’s best demo average in over three years (since 4Q12). “Morning Joe” beat CNN’s “New Day” in both total viewers and the demo – marking the fifth straight quarterly win over CNN in total viewers and the second straight in the demo. MSNBC’s breaking news-focused dayside programming (9am-5pm) topped the previous quarter’s record, delivering the daypart’s best total viewer average since 4Q12 and best demo average since 1Q13. Dayside’s year-to-year growth continues to far outpace the competition with gains of +93% in total viewers (vs. just +34% for CNN and +12% for FOX) and +130% in the key demo (vs. just +25% for CNN and +14% for FOX) compared to 2Q15. MSNBC’s Total Day (M-Su 6am-6am) audience hit its highest numbers since 4Q12 in total viewers and since 1Q14 in the demo. MSNBC is posting more Total Day growth than the competition, up +61% among total viewers (vs. 46% for CNN and +18% for FOX) and up +54% in the demo (vs. 36% for CNN and +16% for FOX) compared to 2Q15. 2Q 2016 PROGRAM HIGHLIGHTS MORNING JOE (M-F 6-9am)

    • Morning Joe” delivered the biggest total viewer audience for the 6-9am timeslot in MSNBC’s history, as well as its best demo average in over three years (since 4Q12).
    • “Morning Joe” topped CNN’s “New Day” among both total viewers and the demo. This marks the fifth straight quarterly win over CNN in total viewers and the second straight quarter in the demo.
    • “Morning Joe” posted significantly higher year-to-year growth than the competition, up +68% among total viewers (vs. +36% for CNN’s and +16% for FOX) and up +95% in the demo (vs. +23% for CNN and +7% for FOX).
    • “Morning Joe” averaged 608,000 total viewers (ahead of CNN’s 448,000) and 154,000 viewers A25-54 (ahead of CNN’s 135,000).

    DAYSIDE (M-F 9am-5pm)

    • MSNBC dayside’s year-to-year growth continues to soar over the competition, posting gains of +93% in total viewers (vs. +34% for CNN and +12% for FOX) and +130% in the key demo (vs. +25% for CNN and +14% for FOX). 
    • 2Q16 marks MSNBC dayside’s biggest total viewer audience since 4Q12 and best demo average since 1Q13.
    • More cable news viewers are choosing MSNBC: the 9am-5pm daypart pulled in its largest share of the total viewer audience since 4Q12 and largest share of the demo audience since 1Q13.

    EARLY EVENING (M-F 5-8pm)

    • MTP Daily with Chuck Todd,” which launched in September 2015, posted the 5pm time period’s best total viewer average since 4Q13 and best demo average since 1Q14.
    • With All Due Respect,” which debuted on MSNBC in January 2016, delivered the 6pm time period’s highest total viewer average since 1Q14 and highest demo average since 2Q14.
    • Hardball with Chris Matthews” topped CNN among total viewers and delivered the show’s best total viewer average since 4Q13. “Hardball” also delivered its best demo average since 1Q14.

    WEEKDAY PRIME (M-F 8-11pm)

    • MSNBC beat CNN outright to rank #2 in prime among total viewers.
    • MSNBC prime delivered its biggest total viewer audience since 4Q12.
    • Compared to 2Q15, MSNBC prime is up +90% in total viewers (vs. +88 for CNN and +21% for FOX) and +113% in the demo (vs. +71% for CNN and +15% for FOX).
    • All In with Chris Hayes” delivered its best averages in both total viewers and the demo since 4Q12.
    • Compared to 2Q15, “All In” is up +74% in total viewers (vs. +50% for CNN and +19% for FOX) and up +105% in the demo (vs. +37% for CNN and +10% for FOX).
    • The Rachel Maddow Show” ranked #2 in both total viewers and the demo, beating CNN’s regular programming for the 27th straight quarter in total viewers and second quarter in the demo.
    • “The Rachel Maddow Show” delivered its biggest total viewer audience since 4Q12 and biggest demo audience since 4Q12.
    • Compared to 2Q15, “The Rachel Maddow Show” is up +73% in total viewers (vs. 60% for CNN and +14% for FOX) and up +110% in the demo (vs. 43% for CNN and +8% for FOX).
    • The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell” topped CNN’s regular programming in total viewers for the fourth straight quarter.
    • “The Last Word” delivered its best averages in both total viewers and the demo since 4Q12. 
    • Compared to 2Q15, “The Last Word” is up +96% in total viewers (vs. +36% for CNN and +41% for FOX) and up +102% in the demo (vs. +19% for CNN and +35% for FOX).

    JUNE 2016 HIGHLIGHTS

    • MSNBC ranked #2 ahead of CNN in total viewers.
    • Compared to June 2015, MSNBC prime is up +89% in total viewers (far ahead of CNN’s +64% and FOX’s +21%) and up +109% in the demo (nearly double CNN’s +58% and ahead of FOX’s +14%).
    • Morning Joe” ranked #2 in both total viewers and the demo, topping CNN among total viewers for the 16th straight month and in the demo for the third straight month.
    • “Morning Joe” posted the time period’s best total viewer delivery since April 2003.
    • MSNBC dayside delivered its best monthly total viewer average since January 2013.
    • Compared to June 2015, MSNBC dayside is up +92% in total viewers (vs. 46% for CNN and 18% for FOX) and up +147% in the demo (vs. 33% for CNN and +20% for FOX).
    • MTP Daily” posted the 5pm time period’s biggest total viewer audience since October 2013 and best demo average since February 2014.
    • With All Due Respect” drew the 6pm time period’s biggest total viewer audience since January 2014 and best demo average since April 2014.
    • Hardball with Chris Matthews” ranked #2 in total viewers, marking the third straight monthly win over CNN and the show’s biggest total audience since October 2013.
    • All In with Chris Hayes” ranked #2 in total viewers, topping CNN and delivering the biggest total audience since November 2012.
    • The Rachel Maddow Show” ranked #2 in both total viewers and the demo, marking the 37th straight win over CNN among total viewers and second straight demo win over CNN.
    • The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell” ranked #2 in total viewers for the 13th straight month, posting its best total viewer audience since November 2012 and best demo average since December 2012.
  • MORNING JOE NEWS: Bernie Sanders Says “Yes,” He Will Vote for Hillary Clinton in November

    Today on “Morning Joe,” Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) said, “Yes,” he will vote for Hillary Clinton in November. Rush transcript and video are below. Mandatory credit: MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.”

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    FULL TRANSCRIPT

    WILLIE GEIST:  Joining us now, Democratic presidential candidate, Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont. Senator, always good to see you, sir. 

     

    BERNIE SANDERS:  Good to be with you.

     

    GEIST:  Your reaction to the vote overnight, did the people o Great Britain make the right call here? 

     

    SANDERS: Well,  I don't live in great Britain, but I’ll tell you what I think.

     

    What worries me very much is the breaking down of international cooperation.  Europe in the 20th century, as we all know, the kind of blood that was shed there was – is unimaginable. You never want to see that again. 

     

    On the other hand, I think what this vote is about is an indication that the global economy is not working for everybody, you know?  It's not working in the United States for everybody and it's not working in the U.K. for everybody.  When you see, you know, investors going to China and shutting down factories in this country, and laying off over a period of many years, millions of people are saying, you know what, global economy may be great for some people, not for me. 

     

    So what we need to do is create a situation where there is more international cooperation.  We put an end to these horrific wars that we have seen over the years.  But at the same time, we do not forget about the people left behind and we make sure that we have jobs, and income and health care for all of our people. 

     

    GEIST:  So, based off what you said then is withdraw from the E.U. then a  mistake for the  U.K. ? 

     

    SANDERS:  I'll let the people in the U.K. make that decision. 

     

    NICOLLE WALLACE:  Turning back to – to our country's broiling politics, are you going to vote for Hillary Clinton in November? 

     

    SANDERS:  Yes, yes, I think the issue right here is I'm going to do everything I can to defeat Donald Trump.  I think Trump in so many ways will be a disaster for this country, if he were to be elected president. 

     

    We do not need a president whose cornerstone of his campaign is – is bigotry, is insulting Mexicans, and Latinos, and Muslims and women; who does not believe in the reality of climate change when virtually every scientist who has studied this issue understands we have a global crisis.  This is not somebody who should become president. 

     

    What my job right now is is to fight for the strongest possible platform in the Democratic convention and as we speak in St.  Louis, that's going on right now.  And that means a platform that represents working people that stands up to big money interests and that's what we're trying to do. 

     

    WALLACE:  So your vote will be a vote for Hillary Clinton or against Donald trump? 

     

    SANDERS:  Well, look, I don’t want to parse words right now. What I am trying to do right now is to make sure that the Democratic party becomes the party that represents working people, not Wall Street, that is prepared…

     

    WALLACE:  So is it…

     

    SANDERS:  … that is prepared to have an agenda that speaks to the need of creating millions of jobs, raising the minimum wage to $15.00 an hour, dealing with climate change, dealing with pay equity.  Those are the issues that we need to have not only in a platform, but we need Democratic leadership to be implemented. 

     

    GEIST:  So Senator, just to put a button on this, you said, you'll vote for Hillary Clinton, which means you won't vote for yourself.  Have you accepted now that you won’t be the nominee? 

     

    SANDERS:  I'm pretty good at arithmetic, and what I know is that Hillary Clinton has more pledged delegates than I do, and she has a lot more super-delegates than I do. 

     

    But what I also know is we're bringing 1,900 delegates into the convention, that we have received 13 million votes and that what I am going to be doing right now, and I'm starting this afternoon, heading to Syracuse for an event this evening, is we are – we are going to be urging millions of people to get involved in the political process. 

     

    You may recall last week I did a speech on the Internet, and I said, get involved and – and run for school board, run for city council, run for state legislation.  You know how many people responded?  20,000 people.  So, what we want to do is reinvigorate the Democratic party, bring new blood in and have a party that represents working people. 

     

    GEIST:  So if you – if you -- Senator, if you’ve accepted the arithmetic of – of the race and you realize that she's likely to become the nominee, why not withdraw from the race? 

     

    SANDERS:  Why would I want to do that when I want to fight to make sure that we have the best platform that we possibly can, that we win the most delegates that we can and that we transform -- the goal of our campaign was to transform this nation. 

     

    WALLACE:  So, the disunity isn't putting any disadvantage against Donald Trump? 

     

    SANDERS:  Look, you talk about disunity, I talk about involving the American people in the political process and wanting to have a government and a party that represents all of us. 

     

    When you have disunity, what we're talking about is kids can't – can’t afford to go to college or leaving college $50,000 in debt, people dying because they don't get to a doctor when they should.   Talk about disunity is the fact that we have 47 million people living in poverty.  What we want is a government that represents all of us and that's what I intend to fight for. 

     

    BARNICLE:  So I -- I’ve been writing about you off and on and listening to your voice off and on. 

     

    SANDERS:  Oh, I know that, Mike. 

     

    GEIST:  For years, and years and years you’ve been talking about the same issues consistently for 50 years. 

     

    And now in your presidential campaign, you just referenced it, you know, people's needs, working people’s needs, jobs leaving this country. 

     

    SANDERS:  Right.

     

    GEIST:  But it seems today, and yesterday's vote is another indication of it, this tide of globalization that cannot be stopped.  And millions of people in this country and in Europe basically asking themselves, where do I fit in this going forward?   Where do they fit? 

     

    SANDERS:  Mike, that's the right question.  And that's – that’s a question that we should be always asking and I’ve asked 20 years ago. 

     

    I was in Indiana a few months ago.  Two factories there being shut down, over 2,000 workers thrown out on the street.  Company, United Technologies, a very profitable corporation moving to Monterrey, Mexico, paying people $3.00 an hour.  What do you think the people in Indiana feel about globalization?  What we have to do is create an economy, and this is not that hard, that works for all of us, not just the people on top. 

     

    Unfettered free trade may be good for multinational corporations.  You know what? It is not good for the middle class and many workers.  So, we have got to shape trade policies and you can do that.  American workers, in my view, should not have to compete against people in Vietnam who make a minimum wage of $00.65 an hour.  That's my view.  And you know what?  I think most people agree with that. 

     

    Does that mean to say we build a wall around America, that you don’t have any trade?   That is absolutely not what I am saying.  Trade is a good thing.  International cooperation is imperative, but you have to pay attention to the working people in this country, not just to the CEOs who love these things, who write these trade agreements. 

     

    GEIST:  We have got a lot more to talk about with Senator Bernie Sanders.  A very quick break and much more with Senator Bernie Sanders, right after this.

     

    (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

     

    GEIST:  We are back now with presidential candidate, Senator Bernie Sanders. 

     

    Senator, I was watching your speech last night here in New York City and you said something that jumped out to me.  To the audience and the people watching at home, you said never lose your sense of outrage. 

     

    What did you mean by that in a specific way? 

     

    SANDERS:  We walk down the streets and see people sleeping out on the streets.  We know that there are schools in this country where more people who grad -- leave those schools will end up in jail than will graduate college. 

     

    We have a grotesque level of income and wealth inequality, such as the top one tenth of one percent now owns as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent.  This is outrageous, outrageous, outrageous and no American should accept that.  And what we have got to do is fight for a country that works for all of us. 

     

    This is not utopian -- you know, visionary thinking.  We have the technology, we have the wealth to do that.  Why are we the only major country on earth that doesn't guarantee health care to all people?   You tell me.  Are we too dumb, we can't do it?  Why do we not do what Germany does and make sure that we have free tuition at public colleges and universities.  That is a good investment for America. 

     

    Why do we have the highest rate of childhood poverty of almost any major country on earth?  These are things we should be outraged at.  And yet, for a variety of reasons, you know, those issues are pushed aside and we're told how wonderful everything is.  Well, it's not wonderful if you're a working person. 

     

    (CROSSTALK)

     

    BARNICLE:  Go ahead, Steve.

     

    RATTNER:  Let me ask you, if I could, two sort of economic questions.  You alluded in the earlier segment to the carrier (ph) Indiana -- the plant -- carrier plant in Indiana, excuse me, that was moving to Mexico and that's something that Donald Trump has talked a lot about on the campaign trail as well.

     

    So given that both of you guys have identified this as the kind of thing that shouldn't happen in America, he has one solution.  I suspect you might have a different solution.  What would you do about the problem of a carrier type plant moving to Mexico? 

     

    SANDERS:  I think you need to develop a trade policy which says if you want to shut down in America, you want to move abroad, you want to pay people $3 an hour in Mexico, you know what, you're not going to bring your products back to this country tariff free.  And by the way, in terms of...

     

    RATTNER:  Isn't that what Donald Trump says?

     

    SANDERS:  Well, so what?  I mean, it's not a new idea. 

     

    RATTNER:  I'm just asking. 

     

    SANDERS:  Yeah, you know, in it terms of United Technologies, here's what else you do.  United Technologies, as I recall, gets about $5 billion a year in defense contracts.  And maybe the president sits down with United Technologies and say, you know what, if you want to benefit from defense contracts, you might be a good citizen and you might -- take the needs of the American worker into consideration.  I think those are some of the things...

     

    WALLACE:  There could be -- I'm sorry,

     

    RATTNER:  (Inaudible) my other part.  Hillary Clinton gave an economic speech a couple days ago in which she talked about no student should graduate from a public school with debt.  She talked about raising taxes on the rich.  Some things that sounded very reminiscent of the things that you're saying.  Do you feel that she's moved your way?  Do you feel like she's moved your way enough? 

     

    SANDERS:  Well, you know, the devil is in the details.  I believe that in the year 2016 when you talk about public education it should mean that public colleges and universities are tuition free.  And there are other things that you can do and that's what I want to see happen. 

     

    Has Hillary Clinton taken some of the positions or moved to some degree where we are in terms of the TPP, in terms of the Keystone Pipeline, maybe in terms of Social Security?  Yeah, I think she has to some degree.  But nowhere near as far as I think we need to go. 

     

    BARNICLE:  We just played, obviously, before you got here, a clip from Donald Trump's press conference live from Scotland.  He says many of the same things there that he says here around the country during his campaign. 

     

    What do you hear when he says, quote, "People want to take their country back again," unquote.  What do you hear? 

     

    SANDERS:  Well, I hear a phony.  I hear a multibillionaire.  I hear a very arrogant egotistical man who will say anything to try to get votes and I have zero respect for anybody who tries to get votes by insulting Mexicans or Muslims or women. 

     

    So I think you got a political opportunist of the worst kind.  I don't think he believes in anything.  I think the -- I would not -- you know, I have used this word.  If you know me well enough, you know that I don't go around attacking personally other people.

     

    He's a pathological liar.  That's not just me who is saying that.  It's -- in the media who covers him.  Guy says one thing on one day and the next thing he says -- the next day something else.  So that's kind of my views (ph) on Trump.

     

    WALLACE:  Sir, 55 percent of your supporters have said that should you not be the nominee, they will support Hillary Clinton.  Do you have, in your mind, a higher number than that?  Do you want 100 percent of your supporters to get behind -- and what will you do to move that number up if that is one of your goals? 

     

    SANDERS:  Well, one of my goals -- my major goal is to make sure that Trump does not become president of the United States.  My other major goal right now is to make sure that we have a stronger House and Senate as possible.  I'm going to do everything I can to see the Democrats regain control of the Senate, that we win as many seats in the House, win as many governors races.

     

    And by the way, that we create a movement.  What we're trying to do now is to create a movement within the Democratic Party of progressives who are going to run for election from the school board on up to the United States Congress. 

     

    GEIST:  A lot of Democrats have said, Senator, could he not simultaneously continue the movement, keeping out their supporting candidates and support Hillary Clinton as the nominee.  Why don't you go at it at that way? 

     

    SANDERS:  Well we have talked -- you know, we -- are in discussions, frankly, with the Clinton camp.  And it would be of no great shock to you that what we want from them is to be very, very strong on a number of issues. 

     

    WALLACE:  On policy. 

     

    SANDERS:  On policy issues, absolutely.  You know, I want -- I would like Hillary Clinton to say, you know what, yeah, public colleges and universities should be tuition free.  Can we do other things?  Yeah, we can. 

     

    I would like to see Hillary Clinton move us closer.  She's not going to adopt my view of a Medicare for all single-payer program.  I know that.  But I would like to see her go a lot further than she has in making sure that we're moving toward a day in the very near future where all of our people have health care as a right, not a privilege. 

     

    GEIST:  Okay.  As we leave you, I know you have to get going, I want to play for you one thing.  I don't know if you saw this young man named Jack Aiello, an eighth grader from the Chicago area at his high school graduation did an impersonation of all the presidential candidates, including you.  Jimmy Fallon then invited him on his show.  Here's Jack Aiello doing Bernie Sanders.

     

    (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

     

    JACK AIELLO, IMPRESSIONIST (as Little Donald Trump):  You know, it's just fantastic to be here.  It's just fantastic. 

     

    JIMMY FALLON, HOST OF THE TONIGHT SHOW (as Donald Trump):  Isn't it beautiful?  Isn't it terrific? 

     

    AIELLO:  Down boy, down. 

     

    FALLON:  Down boy.  Down boy.  Easy -- easy, boy. 

     

    AIELLO:  Easy, easy, easy.

     

    FALLON:  Hey little Donald, I've got an idea.  Let's prank call Hillary.  Here.  You pretend to be Bernie Sanders. 

     

    AIELLO:  Hello, Secretary Clinton, this is Senator Bernie Sanders.  Is your refrigerator running?  Well, so am I!  And I'm never, ever dropping out!

     

    FALLON:  Genius.  That's genius.  Where did you learn all these amazing impressions?

     

    AIELLO:  Trump University, which is terrific, by the way.

     

    (CROSSTALK)

     

    (LAUGHTER)

     

    (END VIDEO CLIP)

     

    GEIST:  How's Jack's Bernie Sanders?

     

    SANDERS:  That's pretty good.

     

    (LAUGHTER)

     

    WALLACE:  And if you're not laughing, you're crying, right?

     

    GEIST:  Senator Bernie Sanders, we always really appreciate your time.

     

    WALLACE:  Thank you.

     

    GEIST:  Thanks so much for being here.

     

    SANDERS:  Thank you.

     

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  • SEN. MARCO RUBIO TO MSNBC: "I'M NOT GOING TO ABSTAIN AND I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR HILLARY"

     

     

    SEN. MARCO RUBIO TO MSNBC: "I'M NOT GOING TO ABSTAIN AND I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR HILLARY"

     

    Former presidential candidate Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) spoke to NBC’s Kelly O’Donnell on the heels of his announcement that he will run for re-election to the Senate in November.

     

    Asked why he changed his mind, Sen. Rubio stated: “Well, first, I did change my mind.  I never said I was perfect or  I had all the answers.  And look, the bottom line is, I feel deeply that no matter who is elected president of the United States we are to need a Senate that has people willing to check and balance that.”

     

    He later added, “the U.S. Senate plays a very important role in checking and balancing the excesses of the president.  And I think no matter who's elected that's going to be really important in 2016, and so it's one of the reasons why I changed my mind and chose to run.”  

     

    On if he will campaign with Donald Trump: “Well, I have said I'm not going to, and the reason why is because we have significant disagreements on a lot of issues.  But I disagree with Hillary on everything.  So it's a race between a candidate that I disagree with on a lot of things and candidate that I disagree on almost everything.”

     

    Regarding whether he’ll vote for Donald Trump, he noted, “I'm not going to abstain and I'm not going to vote for Hillary.”

     

    Asked if he’ll run for president in 2020, Sen. Rubio stated: “It's not my plan.  If it was I wouldn't run for re-election.”

     

    Full transcript below. If used, please provide mandatory credit: “MSNBC”

     

    Video: http://on.msnbc.com/28S0Efo

     

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    SNOW:  We are back with breaking news on Capitol Hill, where as we mentioned our Kelly O'Donnell just moments ago had a chance to interview Florida Senator Marco Rubio, former presidential candidate, who has just announced that he will be running for re-election in November.  

     

    (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

     

    O'DONNELL:  Senator Rubio, you told us so many times you would not seek another term.  You told us so many times you almost got irritated when we pressed you on it.  Why change your mind and why now?  

     

    RUBIO:  Well, first, I did change my mind.  I never said I was perfect or  I had all the answers.  And look, the bottom line is, I feel deeply that no matter who is elected president of the United States we are to need a Senate that has people willing to check and balance that.  And that's true whether it's a president of your own party or from the other side.  

     

    And I got into public service to try to make a difference.  You know, obviously we had a path available to us that would have been more comfortable and a little less risky politically.  But I don't -- I couldn't come to grips with the idea that at a moment where I could have made a difference, both in the outcome of the race and future of the Senate over the next six years of the country that I was going walk away from that challenge, and so when the opportunity presented itself about 10 days ago because Carlos Lopez-Cantera, who was in the race, asked me to think about it.  We did as a family over the weekend.  We decided to choose the path of service.  

     

    O'DONNELL:  And Donald Trump of course beat you in your home state during the primary season.  So there are some who say you could actually lose twice because although being an incumbent is an advantage, it's not a sure thing.  

     

    RUBIO:  Sure, it's a difficult race.  I get the political risk involved.  The politically safe thing to do is to just kind of go home and be comfortable for a while and live to fight another day.  But there's too much at stake.  And when that opportunity presented itself we looked at it carefully.  We prayed about it, and we reached this conclusion.  

     

    I fully understand that from a political point of view this is probably not the safest or logical choice.  But to me -- honestly this choice wasn't about politics.  I knew what the safer route was politically.  

     

    O'DONNELL:  Do you remain committed to supporting Donald Trump?  You talked about feeling some anxiety about his positions and things that he has said.  Would you campaign with him?

     

    RUBIO:  Well, I have said I'm not going to, and the reason why is because we have significant disagreements on a lot of issues.  But I disagree with Hillary on everything.  So it's a race between a candidate that I disagree with on a lot of things and candidate that I disagree on almost everything.  

     

    So it's not the ideal choice, not the choice that I wanted -- I ran for president -- but it's the choice the voters have made.  And I respect it.  Irrespective of the presidency we're going to have a U.S. Senate.  And in the Constitution, the U.S. Senate plays a very important role in checking and balancing the excesses of the president.  And I think no matter who's elected that's going to be really important in 2016, and so it's one of the reasons why I changed my mind and chose to run.  

     

    O'DONNELL:  You were criticized for your absenteeism as a candidate and you said a number of things about what it means to be a senator, that you really didn't enjoy the position.  

     

    Won't that be a factor in your race?  Do you want this job?  

     

    RUBIO:  I am frustrated by the Senate.  But who isn't?  Eight-nine percent of Americans have a dim view of Congress.  There's a lot of parts of this job that are very frustrating.  I think everybody can see that.  And there are parts of this job that are very fulfilling.  I've said that, even during the campaign.  I talked about the ability to deliver constituents, and the Senate is a place where you can point to big ideas, and hopefully move them forward.  

     

    But in 2016 and beyond, for the next six years, I think the Senate is going to play an incredibly important role in being a check and balance on the excesses of whoever wins the presidential race.  And that's the part that ultimately convinced me to change my mind and do this.  So I don't -- I'm prepared to come back and serve in the Senate as it is, not as I wish it were, in hopes of maybe changing it so it works better.  But I'm not -- my eyes are wide open as to what kind of Senate I'm coming back to.  And like most Americans I'm frustrated about it, but that's not a reason to give up.  

     

    O'DONNELL:  You've always been seen as a bright future face in your party, and many of your supporters would like to see you run in 2020, not knowing what the White House race will result in.  Would you commit to the voters of Florida you would serve a full six-year term.  

     

    RUBIO:  Well, here's what I'm not going to do anymore is make these unequivocal statements about anything.  Because No. 1, I don't know who the next president of the United States will be and No. 2, if I was looking to run for president in 2020, getting back into a Senate race in the most competitive seat in the country, state in the country, at this late in the game is incredibly risky and probably not the best way forward.  

     

    But here's what I can tell you -- I'm prepared to come back and dedicate my heart and soul to this place as hard as I've ever done.  And if all I'll ever be is a U.S. senator from Florida, and we were able to make a difference, I'll be at peace with that.  I think we can make a real impact here.

     

    O'DONNELL:  So just to be clear, you will not rule out running in 2020, even though a Senate term would extend for six years?  

     

    RUBIO:  I've just learned I think perhaps the hard way to stop talking about things that you don't -- can't predict far off in the future and hypotheticals.  It's not my plan.  If it was I wouldn't run for re-election.  This is not the ideal step that you take to throw yourself back into the race like this, where it's going to be very difficult, and there is a risk of losing.  It's a very competitive seat.  

     

    So I'm doing it because I'm coming back to be a senator with all of my heart and soul, because -- and I said if all I'll ever be is a U.S. senator from Florida that's a good thing, and I'll be at peace with it.  

     

    O'DONNELL:  When you were running for president and we would ask you about things that Donald Trump had said or done, I know that was frustrating for you because you wanted to tell your own story.  

     

    As a Senate candidate you'll often be asked about something he is doing or saying.  Do you think he will have a negative effect on your ability to be re-elected?  

     

    RUBIO:  Well, I think I'll have to run on who I am.  But it's relevant, and I'll tell you why, because when you're in the Senate, as I just said, we're going to be a check and balance.  And so if Donald Trump says something that I don't agree with, I'll tell people.  When I'm in the Senate, if he tries to do that, I'll try to stop him.  When Donald says something I'll agree with, I'll say that.  When I'm in the Senate I'll try to work with him on that.  

     

    The same is true with Hillary.  The problem is I'll probably disagree with virtually everything she stands for, virtually everything.  So what we're -- what I'm not going to allow is sit back and watch the Senate fall under the control of the Democrats, who if Hillary wins are going to basically be a blank check and our country can't afford that.  

     

    O'DONNELL:  And do you think you are going to give the Senate a better chance of remaining in Republican hands by being in this race?  Was that part of it?  The majority being at stake?  

     

    RUBIO:  Well, I -- with no disrespect to the other people running, because they have a right to run.  I know they put a lot of time and energy in their own races, and I'm not asking any of them to get out, and I respect their decision.  And -- but I do believe that I give us a better chance to win.  But no guarantees.  This is going to be a tough race.  I'm ready for this tough race.  It's worth fighting for.  

     

    O'DONNELL:  And you will likely draw Democrats to have to spend more money in Florida, and that may change things strategically.  Do you think tactically you help the party?  

     

    RUBIO:  Honestly that wasn't even part of our consideration.  I knew -- I heard all the voices of people encouraging me to run.  I was obviously honored by that.  But my decision was made in West Miami, Florida, in my home in between -- as I said to some people already today, in between pressure cleaning my driveway, Jeanette and I and the kids spent some time talking about what this would mean.  

     

    And we had two paths to choose, kind of a more comfortable life and less risk, or the chance to make a difference both in this election and ultimately for this country.  And that's the path we chose, and I'm proud of it, I really am.  

     

    O'DONNELL:  Two quick questions to remain, when I asked you about Donald Trump, do you intend to vote for him even though you don't want to campaign with him?  

     

    RUBIO:  Well, I am not going to abstain.  And I can tell you that this is not the choice a lot of people wanted.  I obviously ran for president, that's the choice I wanted.  It's the choice we have.  

     

    And it's a choice between, as I told you, Donald Trump, who I disagree with on a lot of things, and Hillary Clinton, who I disagree with on everything.  And it's an unusual choice.  I mean, most years I have more in common with the Republican nominee than I do this year.  

     

    But in the end I'm not going to abstain and I'm not going to vote for Hillary.  

     

    O'DONNELL:  And finally, we know you were on the ground in Orlando.  The country has been concerned about all the events that have happened there, the families that have been so affected, and all the root causes of what transpired there.  

     

    Did that have any impact or influence on your decision?  

     

    RUBIO:  Well, it had an impact on me personally, I'm not sure it had an impact on the decision per se.  This decision is beyond one event, as tragic and horrible it is.  

     

    It had an impact on me personally in terms not just on the human level, but also on the thought process of what real service should be all about.  But ultimately my decision was about, where is the right place for me and my family over the next six years?  

     

    And we think it's public service given the challenges that our country is facing, and it's an opportunity I didn't think would happen.  I was really prepared to move forward in our lives and have peace with that, and quite frankly looking forward to many aspects of it.  

     

    And when my -- when Carlos Lopez-Cantera sat with me and asked me to reconsider, and  he was in the race, I did.  And this was the conclusion that we reached.  So in the end it's about as much as anything else the desire to continue to serve.  

     

    O'DONNELL:  Well, we thank you for your time and we'll see you on the campaign trail.  Thank you, Senator Rubio.  

     

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  • Dayside Leadership

    Below is a note to staff from MSNBC President Phil Griffin: 

     

    All,

    I’m writing to share two announcements for MSNBC’s dayside leadership team as we push ahead with our successful focus on in-depth coverage and breaking news.

    Jamie Kraft will join MSNBC as Senior Executive Producer of Dayside Programming, reporting to Janelle Rodriguez.  Jamie, of course, comes to us after four remarkable years as EP of Nightly News weekend editions.  In his new role, he will direct our on-air weekday programming and oversee the dayside executive producers.  Jamie will partner with Rashida Jones, who, as Managing Editor, adeptly drives day-to-day newsgathering and editorial plans.  In addition, Rashida will now oversee MSNBC’s unilateral reporters and field producers.  Under Janelle’s leadership, Jamie and Rashida will expand on the exponential ratings growth in dayside.

    We have rapidly made huge strides thanks in part to the work of Pat Burkey who, along with Izzy Povich, spent the last nine months training a small army of breaking news producers, driving dynamic political coverage, and fueling triple-digit ratings growth.

    Pat will build on this success in a pivotal new role on MSNBC’s executive team leading Breaking News and Special Event Programming, reporting to me. Since returning to MSNBC from Nightly News in September, Pat led countless hours of major breaking news coverage outside the 9am-5pm window -- including Pope Francis’ visit to America, the terrorist attacks in Paris and Brussels, and primetime primary nights.  He will now focus his talents in this realm full time and continue to work closely with Brian Williams as we look ahead to conventions, debates, election night, and beyond.

    It’s remarkable to reflect on how far our entire network has come in the last year.  The momentum is with us, and I’m excited to see what’s ahead as we go forward together.

     

    Phil

  • MSNBC DELIVERS MOST TOTAL DAY GROWTH IN CABLE NEWS DURING MONTH OF MAY

    MSNBC DELIVERS MOST TOTAL DAY GROWTH IN CABLE NEWS DURING MONTH OF MAY

    “Morning Joe” Beats CNN in Both Total Viewers and Demo; Prime Beats CNN in Total Viewers

    MSNBC Dayside Growth Soars Over CNN and Fox News

    MSNBC Year-to-Year Gains Far Outpace CNN and Fox News in All Key Dayparts

    JUNE 1, 2016 -- MSNBC delivered the most total day growth in cable news for the month of May 2016 (M-Su 6am-6am), averaging gains of +61% in total viewers and +49% in the A25-54 demo versus May 2015. By comparison, CNN was up just +33% in total viewers and +20% in the demo, and Fox News was up +19% in total viewers and +11% in the demo. MSNBC’s year-to-year rise far outpaces that of CNN and Fox News in all key dayparts and metrics.

    “Morning Joe” (M-F 6-9am) topped CNN’s “New Day” in both total viewers (583,000 vs. 431,000) and the A25-54 demo (147,000 vs. 127,000) for the second straight month, also marking the MSNBC program’s 15th consecutive monthly win over CNN in total audience. “Morning Joe” is posting huge gains versus May 2015: up +91% in A25-54 (compared to just +6% for CNN and +2% for Fox News), and up +63% in total viewers (compared to CNN at +24% and Fox News at +14%).

    MSNBC’s strategic shift to a breaking news focus during the day continues to deliver unrivaled year-to-year growth. During May 2016, MSNBC dayside (M-F 9am-5pm) posted a demo surge of +119% over May 2015 -- nearly twelve times greater than CNN’s growth (+10%) and far outpacing that of Fox News (+5%). Among total viewers, MSNBC’s dayside programming expanded by +93%, compared to CNN at +23% and Fox News at +11%.

    MSNBC beat CNN in both total viewers in primetime (M-F 8-11pm) during May 2016, posting growth of +95% in total viewers and +100% in the demo versus May 2015. By comparison, CNN grew +50% in total viewers and +29% in the demo, and Fox News grew by +27% in total viewers and +19% in the demo.

    Other Highlights

    • “The Rachel Maddow Show” again ranked ahead of CNN in both total viewers (1.171 mil vs. 829,000) and the demo (283,000 vs. 261,000), extending its winning streak among total viewers to 36 consecutive months. 
    • “Hardball with Chris Matthews” topped CNN in total viewers (873,000 vs. 708,000) for the second straight month. 
    • “The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell” outpaced CNN in total viewers for the 12th consecutive month (957,000 vs.705,000). 
    • “MTP Daily with Chuck Todd” delivered strong year-to-year gains in the 5pm hour, up +98% in A25-54 and 31% in total viewers. 
    • “All In with Chris Hayes” grew by 90% in A25-54 and 69% in total viewers over May 2015.

    # # #

     

  • NBC OUT

    Below is a note to staff from MSNBC SVP Yvette Miley:

     

    All,

    I’m excited to share that NBCNews.com is launching a new pop-up vertical, NBC OUT, in recognition of Pride month.

    NBC OUT is the first LGBTQ news vertical created by a major broadcast media organization.   All summer long, NBC OUT will showcase enterprise reporting, original video, and a range of unique content geared towards the political, cultural, and social interests of the LGTBQ community. 

    NBC News and MSNBC have an established reputation for award-winning coverage of issues related to sexual orientation and gender identity.  This new digital home will build upon that foundation by providing a single online destination for original journalism and fresh storytelling as well as the best news and analysis powered by the global resources of NBC News.

    We’re thrilled to welcome back Brooke Sopelsa who will serve as Managing Editor of NBC OUT. Most recently, Brooke was a producer at HuffPost Live where she worked on news and lifestyle segments. Prior to Huffington Post, Brooke spent six years at NBC, first as a producer at CNBC.comand then as a producer at MSNBC.com. In 2015, she was awarded an RTDNA Kaleidoscope Award for her LGBTQ coverage and in 2012, she earned a GLAAD Media Award nomination for her multimedia report on the contemporary voguing scene for MSNBC.com. 

    NBC OUT is live online at NBCOUT.com, via theNBCNews.com homepage menu, and on social media platforms like FacebookTwitter and Instagram.

     

    Yvette

  • LIBERTARIAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE TO MSNBC: "NEITHER OF US HAVE ANY INTENTION OF ATTACKING TRUMP OR HILLARY"

     

    LIBERTARIAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE TO MSNBC:"NEITHER OF US HAVE ANY INTENTION OF ATTACKING TRUMP OR HILLARY"

     

    Tonight, Chuck Todd spoke live with former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson and former Massachusetts Gov. Bill Weld for their first joint interview since officially becoming the Libertarian Party’s nominees for president and vice president.

     

    The wide ranging interview covered topics including campaign strategy, reforming the VA, which cabinet agencies they would eliminate, civil rights legislation, and Hillary Clinton’s email controversy.

     

    On the campaign’s strategy, Gov. Johnson noted that “neither of us have any intention of attacking Trump or Hillary.”

     

    Gov. Weld added, “I guess if we're in the center, we must be fringe candidates.”

     

    Highlights and full transcript below. If used, please provide mandatory credit: “MSNBC’s MTP Daily”

     

    Video: http://on.msnbc.com/1sZNcN7

     

    On whether their strategy is to attack Trump:

     

    JOHNSON:  Absolutely not.  No.  I have no intention -- neither of us have any intention of attacking Trump or Hillary.  But, you know, from a issues standpoint, absolutely.  The stuff that he's saying…I  think he's said 100 things that would have tubed any other candidate, but here he is.

     

    I think you hit it right, right at the top.  Look, it's just another day and it's got Donald Trump's face on it and what he said today and turn the page to tomorrow.  There's going to be something else.

     

    WELD:  I, for what it's worth, I would agree with Gary that "The Donald" has our number in -- in what he said today.  I mean we've never bought into this anti-choice, anti-gay, you know, let's have your personal liberties sense of the Republican Party platform.  We've never bought into spending money like there's no tomorrow so we can hollow out our economy, both abroad and domestically and hollow out our military.

     

    So that puts us right in the center.  And I guess if we're in the center, we must be fringe candidates.

     

    On the VA:

     

    WELD:  Well, I was just going to say, Chuck, that when the GIs came back from World War II, they had two sets of needs -- education and health care.

     

    Now in education, they did probably the most successful program in domestic political history, the GI Bill, which was essentially a voucher program.

     

    On health care, they went the other way, command and control one size fits all, government -- government operated, that's the only place you have to go.

     

    If that had been a vouchered program…like the education solution, things might be very different now.  And it's structural.  It's not President Obama's fault.  It's no one president's fault.

     

    On which cabinet agencies they would eliminate:

     

    JOHNSON:  Well, look -- look, I'm running to be president of the United States…so at the end of the day, Congress either submits to me and I either sign it or I veto it.  So count on me to sign any agency that they want to eliminate.

     

    But for a second, let's just talk about the Department of Education.  The Department of Education gives every state about 11 cents out of every school dollar that every state spends, but it comes with 15 cents worth of strings attached.

     

    So it's really a negative to take federal money.  You know, you've got to accomplish A, B, C and D to receive your 11 cents, but it costs you 15 cents to do it.

     

    So there's a great example of an agency that really shouldn't exist. 

     

    On the ’64 Civil Rights Act:

     

    JOHNSON:  Well, first of all, I would have signed the '64 Civil Rights Act.  I don't think we should -- I don't think we should condone discrimination in any way whatsoever.  But here's the distinction that libertarians make.

     

    They make the distinction between government not being able to discriminate, but businesses being able to discriminate, the right of personal choice.

     

    TODD:  Right.  And I assume that you -- you believe this, then, that businesses shouldn't be able to do this, whether it's on the health care law or on, obviously, having to do with restaurants and things like that?

     

    JOHNSON:  Well, I just like to apply it to both sides of the aisle.  Look, you've got the customer.  Let's not discriminate against the customer, you know, is the -- is the business owner being done harm?

     

    Well, it -- it works both ways.  Look, we shouldn't be condoning discrimination in any way whatsoever.  And it would require new legislation that would allow discrimination that currently is not allowed for under law.

     

    So I don't want to have any part of it.

     

    On whether Weld would sign legislation protecting the rights of the LGBT community:

     

    WELD:  Oh, sure.  Go where you’re comfortable, absolutely.  I mean I was the first guy out of the box in 1991 on gay and lesbian issues before -- 10 years before anybody else would touch it.  So count on me.

     

    On Hillary Clinton’s email controversy:

     

    WELD:  Except, I'll give you one more -- I'll give you one more news tidbit.  All this stuff about Secretary Clinton's use of email accounts and the report that came out and how she might get indicted, I'm not buying.  And I used to be head of the criminal division of the Justice Department of the United States.

     

    TODD:  What does that mean, you're not buying?

     

    WELD:  I'm not buying it.  You can't indict somebody if there's no evidence of criminal intent and I don't see any evidence of criminal intent.

     

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    CHUCK TODD, HOST:  I'm joined now by the Libertarian ticket, Gary Johnson and his vice presidential running mate, Bill Weld.

     

    This is their first joint interview.

     

    Gentlemen, congratulations to you and welcome to "MEET THE PRESS DAILY."

     

    BILL WELD, VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, LIBERTARIAN PARTY:  Thank you, Chuck.

     

    GARY JOHNSON, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, LIBERTARIAN PARTY:  Thank you, Chuck.

     

    And I think that Trump had it nailed today.  I think we've been fringe candidates our whole life, Republicans winning in heavily Democrat states, being fiscally conservative, socially liberal.  Hey, he nailed it today.

     

    Thanks, Donald.

     

    TODD:  Well, you know, let me ask you this, Governor Johnson, do you believe -- do you believe that the best way for you to get to your 15 percent is just to relentlessly attack Trump, that really, this is about being the Republicans that Republicans can stomach for a while if they can't stomach Trump?

     

    JOHNSON:  Absolutely not.  No.  I have no intention -- neither of us have any intention of attacking Trump or Hillary.  But, you know, from a issues standpoint, absolutely.  The stuff that he's saying, I -- I think he's said 100 things that would have tubed any other candidate, but here he is.

     

    I think you hit it right, right at the top.  Look, it's just another day and it's got Donald Trump's face on it and what he said today and turn the page to tomorrow.  There's going to be something else.

     

    WELD:  I -- for what it's worth, I would agree with Gary that "The Donald" has our number in -- in what he said today.  I mean we've never bought into this anti-choice, anti-gay, you know, let's have your personal liberties sense of the Republican Party platform.  We've never bought into spending money like there's no tomorrow so we can hollow out our economy, both abroad and domestically and hollow out our military.

     

    So that puts us right in the center.  And I guess if we're in the center, we must be fringe candidates.

     

    TODD:  Well, be careful of the armadillo.

     

    Governors, I want to pause here for a second, because we've got a rare opportunity.  We have more presidential campaigns than we know what to do with today.

     

    So -- and you get the treat of being able to respond to what Hillary Clinton has to say.

     

    Let me pause here.

     

    Chris Hayes, my colleague, has Hillary Clinton on the phone.

     

    (HILLARY CLINTON INTERVIEW)

     

    TODD:  And more importantly, back to another presidential candidate.  Perhaps this is a preview for later in the fall.

     

    Chris Hayes, well done.

     

    We'll see you at 8:00.

     

    So let me bring back Gary Johnson and Bill Weld.

     

    Well, Gary Johnson, if you get on that presidential debate stage with Hillary Clinton, how would you have responded to her just now?

     

    JOHNSON:  Well, when she talks about the VA, I mean I think there are some real opportunities to privatize the VA and its functions.  And, you know, Bill Weld and I plan on running as a team here.  I think Bill wanted to weigh in on that one.

     

    WELD:  Well, I was just going to say, Chuck, that when the GIs came back from World War II, they had two sets of needs -- education and health care.

     

    Now in education, they did probably the most successful program in domestic political history, the GI Bill, which was essentially a voucher program.

     

    On health care, they went the other way, command and control one size fits all, government -- government operated, that's the only place you have to go.

     

    If that had been a vouchered program at the -- like the education solution, things might be very different now.  And it's structural.  It's not President Obama's fault.  It's no one president's fault.

     

    But I don't think -- everyone realizes that the desire of the people working at the VA hospitals is the top...

     

    TODD:  Yes.

     

    WELD:  -- in the entire country.

     

    JOHNSON:  It is.

     

    WELD:  But very few people would pretend the level of care and the speed of care is the same as in the private sector.

     

    TODD:  Let me ask you, though, it's interesting you brought up voucher and -- and frankly, in -- and either one of you want to answer this and this is fine, because it's -- it's your ticket, it's your philosophy.  But in many cases, it's clear Governor Johnson, Governor Weld, that your -- your -- your mantra is to shrink government.  I think that I'm trying to -- I want to say are there seven cabinet agencies you would eliminate at this point, Gary Johnson?

     

    Do I have it right?

     

    JOHNSON:  Well -- well, of course, a...

     

    TODD:  No, and let me finish my question here.

     

    JOHNSON:  Yes?

     

    TODD:  -- which is, because Governor Weld brought up vouchers, essentially getting the money directly into the hands of veterans, for instance, letting them choose how to use it.

     

    But how do you prevent that style of -- of -- of governing, where essentially you're saying, OK, we're not going to implement the programs, we're going to hand you the money and hope the private sector has the programs?

     

    How does -- how do you not have the private sector do to that what universities have done with Pell grants, oh, great, you're going to get a Pell grant, well, then, you can come to this $60,000 a year -- it's we're going to raise our tuitions to $60,000 a year because we know we have this free government money coming?

     

    JOHNSON:  Well, you covered on a lot of topics there.

     

    TODD:  I know I did but hey...

     

    JOHNSON:  Well, look -- look, I'm running to be president of the United States, so any -- so at the end of the day, Congress either submits to me and I either sign it or I veto it.  So count on me to sign any agency that they want to eliminate.

     

    But for a second, let's just talk about the Department of Education.  The Department of Education gives every state about 11 cents out of every school dollar that every state spends, but it comes with 15 cents worth of strings attached.

     

    So it's really a negative to take federal money.  You know, you've got to accomplish A, B, C and D to receive your 11 cents, but it costs you 15 cents to do it.

     

    So there's a great example of an agency that really shouldn't exist.  I think people think the Department of Education was established under George Washington.  It was established under Jimmy Carter and what value has it had since then?

     

    You know, you're talking about education and the high cost of education.

     

    What's responsible for that?

     

    I'm going to argue that that's guaranteed government student loans, that if we would have never had...

     

    TODD:  Right.

     

    JOHNSON:  -- guaranteed government student loans, I think tuition today would be half of what the -- what they currently are.  And...

     

    WELD:  Going back to health care for a second...

     

    TODD:  Go ahead, Governor Weld.

     

    Yes?

     

    WELD:  -- health savings accounts, I think, are a great way to empower people to make their own decisions about their health care choices and to say these -- those should not exist is to say we don't trust people to make decisions about themselves.  We think only government can make decisions about what's best for individual people.

     

    Man, that is part and parcel of a lot you've heard...

     

    TODD:  Right.

     

    WELD:  -- from government for a long time.  And I'm afraid people have gotten brainwashed.  And if we -- if we've created the delivery care to the VA with some, you know, equivalent of a...

     

    TODD:  Right.

     

    WELD:  -- health savings account -- you don't have to call it a voucher.  I know that's a dirty word for a lot of people.  But the question is, should government steer or should it row?

     

    I've always thought that government should steer and let the people do the rowing for themselves.

     

    TODD:  Governor Johnson, can you explain to viewers why you got booed for saying you would have voted for the '64 Civil Rights Act at your Libertarian convention?

     

    JOHNSON:  Well, first of all, when it comes to conventions, I say the same thing regardless of whether I have a Democrat audience, a Republican audience, a Libertarian audience.  Oh, I think I get booed from everybody in every audience.  But I think the majority of people are sitting on their hands saying whoa, there is an adult voice in the room.

     

    So, you know, in this...

     

    TODD:  No, but there is a -- that was -- and I was hoping you'd get at it.  Explain -- because this has been a -- there has been a disconnect between some libertarians for a long time.  Rand Paul got into -- got into some hot water about this.

     

    What is it about the '64 Civil Rights Act that -- that some libertarians, uh, get upset with?

     

    JOHNSON:  Well, first of all, I would have signed the '64 Civil Rights Act.  I don't think we should -- I don't think we should condone discrimination in any way whatsoever.  But here's the distinction that libertarians make.

     

    They make the distinction between government not being able to discriminate, but businesses being able to discriminate, the right of personal choice.

     

    TODD:  Right.  And I assume that you -- you believe this, then, that businesses shouldn't be able to do this, whether it's on the health care law or on, obviously, having to do with restaurants and things like that?

     

    JOHNSON:  Well, I just like to apply it to both sides of the aisle.  Look, you've got the customer.  Let's not discriminate against the customer, you know, is the -- is the business owner being done harm?

     

    Well, it -- it works both ways.  Look, we shouldn't be condoning discrimination in any way whatsoever.  And it would require new legislation that would allow discrimination that currently is not allowed for under law.

     

    So I don't want to have any part of it.

     

    TODD:  And Governor Weld, your one of our successors in Massachusetts, Governor Charlie Baker, announced today that if a bill hits his desk that essentially is designed to protect transgender, protect the rights of transgender that he would sign that law.

     

    Would you?

     

    WELD:  Oh, sure.  Go where you’re comfortable, absolutely.  I mean I was the first guy out of the box in 1991 on gay and lesbian issues before -- 10 years before anybody else would touch it.  So count on me.

     

    JOHNSON:  We're the fringe candidates, Chuck.  We are really the fringe candidates.

     

    WELD:  Except, I'll give you one more -- I'll give you one more news tidbit.  All this stuff about Secretary Clinton's use of email accounts and the report that came out and how she might get indicted, I'm not buying.  And I used to be head of the criminal division of the Justice Department of the United States.

     

    TODD:  What does that mean, you're not buying?

     

    WELD:  I'm not buying it.  You can't indict somebody if there's no evidence of criminal intent and I don't see any evidence of criminal intent.

     

    TODD:  Finally, Governor Weld, how much money are you spending on this campaign?

     

    There seems to be an implication that one of the reasons you're on the ticket is to help -- help either finance or help raise the money.

     

    WELD:  Oh, it will be raising, it won't be -- it won't be personal financing, I assure you.  I would say, you know, I think we have to raise, at a minimum, tens of millions of dollars to get to the place where we want to be.  And if we get momentum and Gary gets over that 15 percent...

     

    TODD:  Right.

     

    WELD:  -- I think we could go well above that.

     

    TODD:  And I have to ask this last question, Governor Johnson, because it was an interesting quote that your running mate said about you, when I said -- asked him about what qualifies you as commander-in-chief.

     

    And Governor Weld, I believe you used the phrase, he has the spirit of the sky?

     

    WELD:  Yes.  I said he and I are...

     

    (CROSSTALK)

     

    WELD:  Yes, I think I did say something like that.  Yes.

     

    TODD:  Well, Governor Johnson, what does that mean to you?

     

    JOHNSON:  I just, bottom line, take it as a compliment.  And let me -- let me just tell you, Bill Weld has been a -- has been a role model for me.  I wanted to grow up and be like Bill Weld.  And he was declared fiscally the most conservative governor in the country.  When he served, we overlapped and I took over the title after he left.

     

    So this is a...

     

    TODD:  All right...

     

    JOHNSON:  -- beyond my wildest dreams, Bill Weld is my running mate.

     

    TODD:  Gary Johnson...

     

    WELD:  That goes both ways.

     

    TODD:  Gary Johnson and Bill Weld, I have a feeling this won't be the last time we hear from you.

     

    Thank you both for coming on.

     

    JOHNSON:  Thank you.

     

    TODD:  Appreciate it.

     

    WELD:  Thank you.

     

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  • HILLARY CLINTON TO MSNBC’S CHRIS HAYES: "IT TOOK A REPORTER TO SHAME [TRUMP] INTO ACTUALLY MAKING A CONTRIBUTION" TO VETERANS

     

    HILLARY CLINTON TO MSNBC’S CHRIS HAYES: "IT TOOK A REPORTER TO SHAME [TRUMP] INTO ACTUALLY MAKING A CONTRIBUTION" TO VETERANS 

     

    Tonight, Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton joined MSNBC’s Chris Hayes by phone for a live one-on-one interview that focused on Donald Trump’s donations to veterans, Clinton’s prospects in the California primary, issues with the VA, and the recent IG report on her email server.

     

    Regarding Trump’s donations to veterans, Clinton said: “the problem here is the difference between what Donald Trump says and what Donald Trump does….it took a reporter to shame him into actually making  a contribution and getting money to veterans' groups.”

     

    On the California primary, Clinton stated: “I'm feeling very positive about my campaign in California.” Additionally, she underscored her assertion that she is “proud to get Governor Jerry Brown's endorsement today.”

     

    Highlights and full transcript below. If used, please provide mandatory credit: “MSNBC’s Chris Hayes”

     

    Video:  http://on.msnbc.com/25zgOCi  

     

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    On Donald Trump’s donations to veterans:

     

    CLINTON: I think the problem here is the difference between what Donald Trump says and what Donald Trump does. You know, he's bragged for months about raising $6 million dollars for veterans, and donating a million dollars himself, but it took a reporter to shame him into actually making his contribution, and getting money to veterans’ groups. I, of course, over the course of my life, I've not only donated personally, but I've worked to provide hundreds of millions of dollars over time to help our veterans by what I voted for, what I've worked for.

     

    On issues with the VA

     

    CLINTON: I've been clear for months that the problems at the VA are unacceptable and I have been outspoken on that.

     

    On Clinton’s prospects in the California primary:

     

    CLINTON: Well, I'm feeling very positive about my campaign in California. We are working really hard. I was proud to get Governor Jerry Brown's endorsement today. But I want to cover as much of the state as I possibly can. I will be in New Jersey tomorrow, I'm really looking forward to that. Actually, I'll be there for an event tonight. So we are, we are competing everywhere. But I have been struck by some of the challenges California faces, like the drought, which Donald Trump said the other day didn't exist.

     

    On section of IG report that found that subordinates told people to stop asking about Clinton’s private email use:

     

    CLINTON: I do not know who that person is or you know, what that person might have said because it's, it's not anything that I am aware of. I emailed, I emailed with hundreds of people and I emailed department officials and others directly with my email, as other secretaries have done. I certainly never instructed anyone to hide the fact I was using a personal email. It was obvious to hundreds of people, visible to the many people that I was emailing throughout the State Department and the rest of the federal government.

     

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    HAYES: Right now on the phone is Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Mrs. Clinton, are you there?

     

    CLINTON: I am, Chris. Can you hear me?

     

    HAYES: I can hear you, Madam Secretary. Thank you very much. So, thank you for calling in. I wanted to, I guess, start by asking Donald Trump today said that the press should be thankful to him, to Mr. Trump, for giving, raising $5.6 million dollars for veterans’ charities. He says, what is Hillary Clinton doing. What is your reaction to what happened at Trump Tower today?

     

    CLINTON: Well, I think the problem here is the difference between what Donald Trump says and what Donald Trump does. You know, he's bragged for months about raising $6 million dollars for veterans, and donating a million dollars himself, but it took a reporter to shame him into actually making his contribution, and getting money to veterans’ groups.

     

    I, of course, over the course of my life, I've not only donated personally, but I've worked to provide hundreds of millions of dollars over time to help our veterans by what I voted for, what I've worked for. Actually, John McCain and I helped raise funds for the Intrepid Fallen Heroes Fund to build a rehab facility at Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio so that our returning wounded vets could get world-class treatment.

     

    And, ever since I was first lady and in the public eye I've worked to help victims of Agent Orange, those suffering from the mysterious illnesses from the first Gulf War get help when no one else would listen. I worked on the Armed Services committee to raise death benefits of the fallen from $12,000 to $100,000. I worked with Senator Lindsey Graham to expand healthcare benefits for the National Guard and Reserve. And, have worked in every way I could in my public capacity to honor the service and provide the benefits and support that our veterans deserve.

     

    HAYES: Let me follow up on this aspect of it. There has been a tremendous amount of criticism directed at the V.A. for a variety of issues, chiefly wait times at V.A. hospitals, but a whole set of logistical challenges that veterans have faced. You have talked about how you see yourself inheriting the Obama administration. In your mind, is the care and the performance of the V.A. under this president acceptable? Is an acceptable performance from the V.A.?

     

    CLINTON: Well, Chris, I've been clear for months that the problems at the V.A. are unacceptable, and I have been outspoken on that. I obviously worked when I the Senate to help veterans and their families. I think we've got to tackle some of the problems that have come to light. I don't agree with Republicans who want to use those problems as an excuse to privatize the V.A. and hand it over to the private insurance system to deal with terrible challenges like PTSD, and traumatic brain injury, and the like.

     

    I think we've got to, in my plan that I've put forward, provide for the V.A. to purchase more care from the private sector, but to act more as a guide and guardian for veterans. Coordinating their care, and ensuring their health outcomes. And, I've been very proud and humbled to work with a lot of our veterans advocates, and activists to try to make sure that that if I'm fortunate enough to be President, I will come immediately with a plan as to how we're going to deal with the problems that we've unearthed in the V.A., and do it in a very focused manner.

     

    HAYES: Hayes, you have -- your campaign has canceled some events you were going to do New Jersey which, of course, votes on June 7th. Headed to California instead. There are people who are interpreting that as a campaign that is nervous about winning California on what is a, sort of, big, final, day, except for D.C. Are you nervous about California?

     

    CLINTON: Well, I'm feeling very positive about my campaign in California. We are working really hard. I was proud to get Governor Jerry Brown's endorsement today. But, I want to cover as much to the state as I possibly can. I will be in New Jersey tomorrow. I'm really looking forward to that, actually. I'll be there for an event tonight. We are competing everywhere.

     

    But, I have been struck by some of the challenges California faces, like the drought, which Donald Trump said the other day didn't exist.

     

    So, I am spending time talking citizens with, with experts, with people who have lots of good ideas. I really want to be a good partner, not just to California, but to the entire country. But, I think California has some particular challenges, and I'm going to be campaigning up and down California, meeting with people, and then putting forth my ideas about what I can do as president.

     

    HAYES: Donald Trump and Republicans have made a great deal of both the I.G. report on email use, but more than that, they've invoked the specter of the FBI quite often. So, I need to ask you, have you have been contacted by the FBI about an interview regarding the email situation?

     

    CLINTON: No, we do not have an interview scheduled.  And I just want to say a word about the recent report.  You know, actually, the report makes clear that personal e-mail use was the practice under other secretaries of state, and the rules were not clarified until after I had left. 

     

    But as I said many times, Chris, it was still a mistake.  If I could go back, I would do it differently.  And I understand people who have concerns about it. But I hope voters look at the full picture of everything I’ve done in my career, and actually the full threat posed by a Donald Trump presidency.  Because if they do, I have faith in the American people that they will make the right choice here. 

     

    HAYES: One final small follow-up on that.  There's just one line in that I.G. report that stuck out to me.  And I just wanted to get clarification from you directly in which the I.G. found that subordinates of yours had told people to stop asking about your use of private e-mail.  And that was a striking phrase.  Is that true to your knowledge? 

     

    CLINTON: I do not know who that person is or, you know, what that person might have said, because it's not anything that I am aware of.  I emailed – I emailed with hundreds of people.  And I emailed department officials and others directly with my e-mail as other secretaries have done.  I certainly never instructed anyone to hide the fact I was using a personal e-mail. (LAUGHTER) It was obvious to hundreds of people, visible to the many people that I was emailing throughout the State Department and the rest of the federal government. 

     

    HAYES: All right, Madam Secretary, thank you very much for making yourself available today.  Appreciate it. 

     

    CLINTON: Thank you, great to talk to you.  Bye-bye. 

     

    HAYES: Talk to you soon. 

     

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  • Full Transcript: Morning Joe Exclusive with Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder

     

     

     

    Full Transcript: Morning Joe Exclusive with Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder

     

    In an exclusive interview today on “Morning Joe,” Gov. Rick Snyder (R-MI) discussed the Flint water crisis and said he hasn’t stepped down because his view is to “take responsibility” and not “walk away.” “So my answer is instead of walking away from it, you solve it,” Snyder said. “So that's where I'm really focusing on solutions.”

     

    On his remarks yesterday afternoon ahead of President Obama’s speech on the city’s water crisis, Snyder said, “It is a process.  And so, I appreciate people being angry and frustrated by the situation.  It's a difficult one.”

     

    “Actually, I want to compliment the president,” he added. “I think it was very helpful having him come to Flint and reinforce a very similar message in the fact that filtered water is now safe to drink for most people.”

     

    Snyder appeared on “Morning Joe” on Jan. 22 for his first live national interview on the Flint water crisis.

     

    Video and rush transcript from Snyder’s appearance on “Morning Joe” today are below.  Mandatory credit for MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.”

     

    Video: http://on.msnbc.com/1T3bEbQ

     

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    BRZEZINSKI:  OK.  Joining us now from Ann Arbor, Michigan, the state's Republican Governor Rick Snyder.

     

    Very good to have you on board with us this morning, sir.

     

    SNYDER:  It's great to be back with you again.

     

    BRZEZINSKI:  So, quite a day yesterday.  Not a very good reception that you got, but you did face the people of Flint, along with the president.

     

    I'd like to ask, though, because you and President Obama were drinking the water.  You were drinking the filtered water.  And my understanding is that water, it is a huge process for a person who lives in Flint to make the water drinkable or usable.  So it doesn't really seem like such a celebratory act to be drinking the water in Flint.

     

    SNYDER:  Well, actually, doing the filters is much more straightforward than drinking bottled water, because we have a problem still with the water system in Flint.

     

    And in terms of alternatives, there's bottled water and filtered water.  And the filters that work on a faucet today work very effectively, and they work well.

     

    So, what we're really trying to encourage people is, this is a way to improve the quality of their life, is they can move away from bottled water.  It has been found that it's safe to use the filtered water for everyone but small children and pregnant woman largely.  And it would be a step forward in terms of the healing process to get Flint back on a well-established water system.

     

    SCARBOROUGH:  So -- so, Governor, you went there yesterday.  Obviously, you knew the reception was going to be harsh.  It was.  How do you turn the corner?

     

    How does the government turn the corner to get the people of Flint, Michigan, believing in you and your government again?

     

    SNYDER:  Yeah, well, it is a process.  And so, I appreciate people being angry and frustrated by the situation.  It's a difficult one.

     

    Actually, I want to compliment the president.  I think it was very helpful having him come to Flint and reinforce a very similar message in the fact that filtered water is now safe to drink for most people.  That there's a program to flush the pipes that we need the citizens to participate in that.  That we're making process with respect to removing lead service lines to get the dangerous pipes out of the ground, and this will be a process that will take time.

     

    In addition, he made a strong message that it is really important that children can have a bright future still.  That we're putting in place a number of medical and educational programs to make sure that if children were affected by the lead at all, there's mitigation ways, steps to be taken, so these kids can have a bright future.

     

    SCARBOROUGH:  Eddie.

     

    GLAUDE:  So, Governor, could you just -- thank you for being on the show.  But can you just explain to me why it took so long to acknowledge that lead was in the pipes?  That lead was in the water?

     

    What took so long from the discovery of the fact to the acknowledgment of the fact?

     

    SNYDER:  Oh, that was one of the main issues.  That was one of the failures of government, including state government, that basically we had experts at the state still saying it wasn't a problem.

     

    And it really  took outside experts, such as Professor Marc Edwards at Virginia Tech.  He did a great job of identifying the issue, in fact, he's one of the key resources I look to now for good advice.

     

    We made a lot of changes within state government, and we needed to.  So, this is one of those experiences -- a tragic situation that you wish never would have happened.  And now the real question is, is let's fix it.

     

    So, that's where it has been a focus.  And again, having the president come to town was a positive step in my view, because it shows that we need the city, we need the county, we need the state and we need the federal government all agreeing that, let's not spend time on the historical questions, but let's solve this problem by working together.

     

    That's the way government should work.

     

    GLAUDE:  Right, OK.  So, government.  What about your -- what about your culpability?  What role did you play?

     

    (CROSSTALK)

     

    SNYDER:  Well, again, lots of investigations.  But I got up in front of the entire state and in front of the people of Flint to say there are people that work for me that didn't use common sense.  That there's investigations still going on.  And if someone is working for you, you should take responsibility for that, and I have.

     

    And I've put a focus in on fixing the problem.

     

    SCARBOROUGH:  Willie Geist?

     

    GEIST:  Governor, the EPA received the first complaints two years ago in 2014.  There were families saying that their children were sick, that they couldn't drink the water, they couldn't bathe in the water.  Between your office and the EPA, what happened to those complaints two years ago and why weren't they addressed immediately if people were sick in one of your major cities?

     

    SNYDER:  Well that is one of the issues that we're going through. Again, when you say people are sick, again, it wasn't in terms of sickness, per se.  It was in terms of -- the lead is the key issue here.  And that took some time to come out.  And again, that's where the government was too slow in identifying it, particularly state government.

     

    SCARBOROUGH:  But -- we -- we talked about the state government and you focused on the state government here.  But again, the Environmental Protection Agency had information, the federal government, that there was lead in the water and they suppressed those findings.  Why?

     

    SNYDER:  Well, I'm not going to answer questions for the EPA.  I mean, the way I view it today is -- is I'm not in a position and I don't want to be in that position of saying my goal is not to go criticize somebody else about the past.  My goal is to say how do we solve the problem for the people of Flint moving forward.  And that's about all of us working together.

     

    Because there are multiple investigations that have happened and are happening to look at the past.  And I'm cooperating with all of those.  I hope everyone is.  Because let's get to the bottom of that.  But at the same time, the important thing is is how do we get better water supplies, how do we help the people of Flint.  And the filtered water is a positive step forward. The next step is hopefully get it so it can come right out of the tap, like it should.

     

    BRZEZINSKI:  Yeah. I don't think -- I mean, it's a tough step forward. You can't bathe in it, it's...

     

    SNYDER:  You can bathe in it.

     

    (CROSSTALK)

     

    BRZEZINSKI:  You can bathe in filtered water, you can have filters in all your taps, you can bring bottled water in...

     

    SNYDER:  No -- Mika, that's one of the things. The scientific evidence so far says you can use the regular water for bathing.

     

    BRZEZINSKI:  OK. Well then you should -- there are some who think that you should do that.  Let me just say -- let me just ask, given that this is a catastrophe that some say rivals Katrina, why haven't you stepped down?

     

    SNYDER:  Well, again, if you have people working for you that let you down, that there are multiple failures, again, my view is is you don't walk away from things like that.  You should take responsibility, and I have, and the value system I was raised on, or you want to fix it as much or more than anyone. So my answer is instead of walking away from it, you solve it.  So that's where I'm really focusing on solutions.

     

    SCARBOROUGH:  When you and the president met before your speech yesterday, what did you talk about with him?

     

    SNYDER:  Well, actually, we met with the mayor also and we had a good discussion about how we all need to work together.  In particular, was the state finding adequate resources to do that.  We've made a huge commitment from the budget.  We're putting a lot of resources on the ground. We're committed to doing things.  The city and the mayor are working hard to do it.  And how we all need to do this hand in hand.  And that's -- a good part of the discussion yesterday and it was a very constructive discussion.  So again, I appreciate his visit to Flint.

     

    GEIST:  Governor, most of the people affected of in Flint were poor people, people who don't have a voice politically, people who probably don't have any friends at the government level or who are CEOs.  Do you think it's fair to say that if this had happened in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan, that a CEO that you probably know from a cocktail party made a call to you in 2014, this would have been fixed much quicker?

     

    SNYDER:  Well, again, people are going to have different opinions on that. What I would say is...

     

    GEIST:  What's your opinion, sir?

     

    SNYDER:  I think I've got a track record of working hard to help our urban areas.  Look at Detroit, for example.  We've been able to show a massive turn around in Detroit.  And that took a lot of tough decisions during a difficult time...

     

    GEIST:  But what about Flint, Michigan?

     

    SNYDER:  Well again, Flint, we actually have been doing a lot of good things in Flint.  This is a tragic situation that we need to address and we're on top of it in terms of moving forward.  And it's going to take some time to heal, though, because of, again, the trust issue.

     

    SCARBOROUGH:  How long -- let me ask as far as the water goes. How long until you think it will be back to normal in Flint, will people be able to turn on their faucets and drink water out of the faucets?

     

    SNYDER:  Well I get asked that question all the time and the answer has to be, one -- it's not about picking a date on the calendar and it's not about political people picking the date.  It needs to be based on good science, on the experts.

     

    And the good part is we're bringing in outside experts to help reinforce the credibility issue from Virginia Tech and other places.  And that was the point of actually having -- I appreciate the president drinking the filtered water to help reinforce that message that he's got experts that are telling people it's safe to drink and let's show people that.

     

    SCARBOROUGH:  All right. Governor Rick Snyder, thank you so much for being with us.  We greatly appreciate it.

     

    BRZEZINSKI:  Thank you.

     

    SNYDER:  Thank you.

     

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  • JOY REID TO HOST NEW WEEKEND PROGRAM ON MSNBC

     

     

     

    JOY REID TO HOST NEW WEEKEND PROGRAM ON MSNBC

    Premieres Saturday, May 7 at 10AM ET

    NEW YORK – April 29, 2016 – MSNBC announced today that Joy Reid will host a new weekend program airing Saturdays and Sundays 10 a.m.-Noon ET on MSNBC.  Reid will tackle the most important news and political topics of the week and, along with a rotating panel of journalists, will explore how these issues shape the country.  The program will premiere next Saturday, May 7 at 10 a.m. ET.

    “MSNBC viewers crave not only the facts, but also in-depth discussion and analysis from a range of perspectives,” said MSNBC President Phil Griffin.  “There is no one better equipped than Joy to lead this new project, and create a place for the kind of unique discussion our audience has come to expect.”

    “We are a country of too much talk and too little conversation. We talk past our invisible divides of race and class, ideology and region rather than taking them on,” said Joy Reid. “Saturday and Sunday mornings will be a place to talk politics and do good journalism while bringing diverse, smart, and accomplished voices to the table.”

    This new program fills the timeslot formerly held by “MHP,” hosted by Melissa Harris-Perry.

    “Melissa did a show that was incredibly valuable,” Reid said. “Instead of trying to replace it, we will fill the space with something new; something compelling, and something that adds to the conversation.”

  • MORNING JOE TOPS CNN IN KEY A25-54 DEMO AND TOTAL VIEWERS

     

     

     

    MORNING JOE TOPS CNN IN KEY A25-54 DEMO AND TOTAL VIEWERS

    MSNBC Dayside Growth Continues to Far Outpace CNN and Fox News

    “The Rachel Maddow Show” Gains in A25-54; Closest to Fox News in 2 Years

    NEW YORK – April 26, 2016- For the month of April 2016, more viewers tuned into “Morning Joe” than to CNN’s “New Day” in both the key demo and total viewers.  “Morning Joe” outperformed CNN in the Adults 25-54 by 16% (157,000 vs. 135,000). In total viewers, “Morning Joe” notched another monthly win (596,000 vs. 438,000), pushing the program’s consecutive winning streak to 14 months over CNN.

    While the other cable new networks saw minimal ratings movement in April 2016 for the Monday-Friday 9a-5p daypart, MSNBC’s news-focused dayside continued to soar, up 135% in A25-54 over last year (compared to Fox News at +21% and CNN at +16%) and a strong gain of 86% in total viewers over last year (compared to Fox News at +13% and at CNN +27%).  During the 5p hour, “MTP Daily” also saw strong growth in April 2016, up 110% in A25-54 and 34% in total viewers over April 2015.

    In Prime, “The Rachel Maddow Show” saw significant year-over-year growth in A25-54, up 127% compared over April 2015, versus CNN’s growth of 84% and Fox News at 11% over the prior year.  “The Rachel Maddow Show” also continues to close the ratings gap with Fox News, posting the program’s closest ratings to “The Kelly File” in two years for A25-54 and in three years for total viewers.  With the show’s April 2016 win over CNN in total viewers (1,212,000 vs. 895,000), “The Rachel Maddow Show” runs its winning streak to 35 consecutive months.

    For April 2016, “Hardball with Chris Matthews” topped CNN in total viewers (918,000 vs. 830,000) and “The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell” outpaced CNN for the 11th consecutive month in total viewers (981,000 vs.838,000).   “All In with Chris Hayes” also came in with a solid showing, up 111% in A25-54 and 61% in total viewers. During Monday-Friday primetime 8-11p, MSNBC saw more year-over-year growth than Fox News in the A25-54 demo (138% vs. 12%).

  • FULL TRANSCRIPT: MSNBC Town Hall with Bernie Sanders moderated by Chris Hayes

    MSNBC’s Chris Hayes moderated an hour-long town hall with Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders today at the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia. The town hall aired on MSNBC this evening at 8 PM ET.

    Photo Credit: Nathan Congleton/ MSNBC

    MANDATORY CREDIT: MSNBC

     

    FULL TRANSCRIPT:

     

    UNIDENTIFIED MALE:   They said he didn't have a chance.

     

    SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (D-VT), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE:  Remember, when we began this campaign, we were 60 points behind.

     

    UNIDENTIFIED MALE:   Until his message started a movement.

     

    SANDERS:  We're doing something pretty radical.  We are telling the truth.  Have the courage to take on the special interests who are preventing us from going forward.

     

    UNIDENTIFIED MALE:   But how does Bernie Sanders bounce back this time?

     

    HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE:  I will stand up and fight for you (INAUDIBLE) all the way into the White House.

     

    SANDERS:  If you believe that issues can be addressed by the establishment politicians, you've got a very good candidate to vote for, but it's not Bernie Sanders.

     

    UNIDENTIFIED MALE:   On Tuesday, he'll have to prove he has a path to victory.

     

    SANDERS:  When we stand together, there is nothing that we cannot accomplish.

     

    UNIDENTIFIED MALE:   This is an MSNBC exclusive town hall with Senator Bernie Sanders from the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia.

     

    Here now is Chris Hayes.

     

    CHRIS HAYES, HOST:  Welcome.

     

    (APPLAUSE)

     

    HAYES:  Welcome to the National Constitution Center here in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, one of five states that will be voting tomorrow.  And when this whole campaign began, there were more than 20 candidates in the race.  And if you took bets when it began on who the last five would be, a lot of people would have lost money.  And one of the reasons they would have lost money is the man I can introduce right now.

     

    It's my great pleasure to welcome senator of Vermont, Bernie Sanders.

     

    (APPLAUSE)

     

    HAYES:  How are you, Senator?

     

    (APPLAUSE)

     

    HAYES:  Does this -- does this happen everywhere, like when you go to get coffee now or is that...

     

    (LAUGHTER)

     

    SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (D-VT), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE:  (INAUDIBLE).

     

    HAYES:  Yes.

     

    Um, we're here in Pennsylvania.  You've got five states tomorrow.  Those five states are -- are Northeastern, Eastern Seaboard states.  They're not the deep South, where you had a hard time.  They're not the Plains States, where you had some real good wins.

     

    Um, how do you feel about tomorrow?

     

    SANDERS:  I feel pretty good.  I think if the turnout is high, if -- if working people come out in large numbers, if young people come out, I think the message, Chris, that we are bringing forth, that it's too late for establishment politics, that it is insane that today, almost all new income and wealth has gone to the top 1 percent, that we are the only major country on Earth not to guarantee paid family and medical leave, not to guarantee health care to all people, that is a message resonating in Pennsylvania, it's resonating in Connecticut, it's resonating all over this country.

     

    HAYES:  (INAUDIBLE)...

     

    (APPLAUSE)

     

    HAYES:  The primary calendar, uh, June 7th is a big date.  It's the California and some other states.

     

    SANDERS:  Right.

     

    HAYES:  The 14th is DC.

     

    SANDERS:  Right.

     

    HAYES:  As of the 14th, everyone will have voted...

     

    SANDERS:  Right.

     

    HAYES:  -- in the territories.  Right now, you're at 45 percent of pledged delegates, Secretary Clinton is at 55 percent.  She's got about 2.7 million more votes.

     

    SANDERS:  By the way, that's not quite accurate, because I think a lot of the votes cast in the caucus states have not been counted and we've won some of those states by 70 percent.

     

    HAYES:  But you would agree that she's won more?

     

    SANDERS:  Yes.

     

    HAYES:  On the 14th, um, do you agree that the person who's won the most pledged delegates and the most votes is going to be the nominee of the Democratic Party?

     

    SANDERS:  This is what I believe.  Now, I know the media has got into all of the process issues.  What this campaign is about is transforming the United States of America.  What this campaign is about is bringing millions of people into the political process.  And I'm very proud of the -- the fact that we have had (INAUDIBLE) to do that.

     

    Now, at the end of the process, you know, frankly, if we are behind in the pledged delegates, I think it's very hard for us to win.  But I think we are going to make the case, also, that if you look at the polling and if you look at reality, I believe -- and I'm not the only one who believes this -- that we are the stronger campaign in taking on Donald Trump or any other Republican candidate.  And I think that most of -- most Democrats out there, more than anything -- correctly so -- want to make sure that some right-wing Republican doesn't become president of the United States.

     

    (APPLAUSE)

     

    HAYES:  Let me ask you about that because...

     

    (APPLAUSE)

     

    HAYES:  -- and I -- I sort of share your feeling about process, frankly.  I mean I know the...

     

    SANDERS:  My response is then let's now talk about process all afternoon.

     

    HAYES:  Well, but -- but -- right.  On, and I agree.  But -- but there's also a principal aspect to it.

     

    SANDERS:  Yes.

     

    HAYES:  I mean the -- the principle is Democrat control of the Democratic Party...

     

    SANDERS:  Right.

     

    HAYES:  -- in the sense of you want the person who got the most votes to be the nominee.

     

    SANDERS:  Look, you also -- let's talk about principles.  Hundreds and hundreds of super delegates, parts of the Democratic establishment, voted for Hillary Clinton...

     

    HAYES:  Right.

     

    SANDERS:  -- or pledged to come on board her campaign before I even announced my candidacy.

     

    HAYES:  Right.

     

    SANDERS:  And those people have a right to rethink the decision that they made.  And if they conclude, for a dozen different reasons, that we are a stronger campaign -- and by the way, this is not just talking off the top of my head, virtually every poll that's out there, as you know, shows that Bernie Sanders is better against Donald Trump than Hillary Clinton because nobody gets other Republican candidates.

     

    Should that be taken into consideration?

     

    Yes, I do.  I think so.

     

    HAYES:  How hard do you see yourself pressing that case?

     

    SANDERS:  Look, again, the issue to me right now is we've got five states tomorrow, if -- we've got 10 remaining states, including the largest state in this country.  And what I'm going to focus on is the burning issue facing the American people that we have got to talk about.

     

    Why is it that the middle class has been declining for the last 35 years?

     

    Are we happy that 58 percent of all new income is going to the top 1 percent.

     

    Are we doing enough to address the crisis of climate change and make sure that the planet that we leave our children and grandchildren is a healthy planet.

     

    Are we happy with the corrupt campaign finance system, which super PACs and billionaires are buying elections.

     

    Those are the issues that we have got to focus on.

     

    HAYES:  One of the...

     

    (APPLAUSE)

     

    HAYES:  -- one of the sort of sources of your -- of your -- your critique, right, when you talk about why the system is broken, um, has to do with an answer you gave to my colleague, Chuck Todd, about turnout in states and, um, you said something about, you know, a -- lower voting turnout of poor people, right?

     

    SANDERS:  Yes.

     

    HAYES:  And -- and you got some heat for that.  It is (INAUDIBLE)...

     

    SANDERS:  Why did I get heat on it?

     

    Poor people...

     

    HAYES:  A...

     

    SANDERS:  -- voted for -- voted (INAUDIBLE)...

     

    HAYES:  Right.

     

    (CROSSTALK)

     

    SANDERS:  Look, let's be clear, this is the (INAUDIBLE)...

     

    HAYES:  And that -- and it explains a lot, right?

     

    SANDERS:  Let's be clear, the Clinton campaign has a super PAC.  They have 30 people on the Internet who pick up on everything and then they create this kind of, you know, narrative.

     

    Here is the facts, all right, dispute it if you want with me.  In the last election in 2014, 63 percent of the American people didn't vote.

     

    HAYES:  Right.

     

    SANDERS:  It's not a very vibrant democracy, to my mind.  Eighty percent of young people, and as I understand it, 80 percent of low income people did not vote.  That's a fact.

     

    HAYES:  Right.

     

    SANDERS:  All right?

     

    So what was my point?

     

    Low income people are not voting in large numbers.  I think that's a tragedy.  I want to see if we can change that.

     

    HAYES:  That -- that brings me to what...

     

    (APPLAUSE)

     

    HAYES:  -- ultimately you set up -- you set up this campaign that, in some ways, cast its own (INAUDIBLE), right, because the -- the campaign is about this political revolution, as you say.  It's about breaking down the barriers of who does and doesn't participate.

     

    SANDERS:  This campaign is about...

     

    HAYES:  You said...

     

    SANDERS:  -- taking on the entire establishment, the Democratic establishment, the financial establishment and in Clinton's campaign, the most powerful political organization in the United States of America.

     

    This campaign is about starting off 60 points behind Secretary Clinton and, by the way, in the last couple of weeks, a few polls had us ahead of her nationally.

     

    All right, that's what this campaign is about.

     

    (APPLAUSE)

     

    HAYES:  What have you learned, then, about what you've succeeded and failed at when you think about turning out precisely the kinds of people that don't -- that under vote in American politics?

     

    SANDERS:  I think it's very difficult.  I think there are -- and this is a real American tragedy.  There are millions of people, working class people and low income people who turn on the television and you know what they see?

     

    Nothing being talked about the reality of their lives.  They listen to what goes on in Congress, they can't for -- afford to feed their kids.  They can't pay for their electric bills because we have 47 million people living in poverty.  And they see Congress debating tax breaks for billionaires and candidates taking huge sums of money from the wealthy and the powerful.

     

    And they conclude -- and it's kind of hard to argue with them -- that the system is -- the political system is corrupt.  And they are saying and candidates taking huge sums of money from the wealthy and the powerful.

     

    And they conclude -- and it's kind of hard to argue with them -- that the system is -- the political system is corrupt.  And they are saying to themselves, why do I want to participate in this charade?

     

    Now, we are trying -- and we've had really good success with young people.  I think we're bringing out a whole lot of young people, to some degree with working class people and maybe with low income people.

     

    But it is very, very hard to tell people who are struggling now and seeing almost all new income and wealth going to the top 1 percent, that they should get involved in the political process, that their voices actually matter.

     

    HAYES:  So there's -- there's other folks, um, who have been running -- talking about some of those same things.  Um, you've -- you've endorsed a few of them, raised money for a few of them.

     

    There's a guy here in -- in Pennsylvania named John Fetterman.  He's the mayor of a town named Braddock.

     

    (APPLAUSE)

     

    HAYES:  I had him on the show, an interesting guy.  The town has had a really hard time because of trade, because of the steel industry essentially dying.

     

    He endorsed you.  He says he feels basically like he's a -- sitting there without a -- with a corsage, waiting for the -- (INAUDIBLE) the Sanders mutual endorsement.

     

    SANDERS:  Well, I -- I honestly don't know John and I've heard just a little bit about him.  Um, what we are trying to do now, we have endorsed and gotten some money to some candidates and I hope they win.  I just don't know enough about, uh, John, to be honest with you.

     

    HAYES:  Um, there's -- this -- this connects to another question people have, which is about this movement that you've built.

     

    SANDERS:  I haven't built it.  This is a movement of millions of people who are beginning to stand up and fight back.

     

    HAYES:  But you've -- you've facilitated (INAUDIBLE)...

     

    SANDERS:  I am the candidate for president that many of them...

     

    HAYES:  Right.

     

    SANDERS:  -- are supporting.

     

    HAYES:  Right.

     

    SANDERS:  Yes.

     

    HAYES:  And so then the question becomes, to a lot of people, you know, you -- look, a year ago, I don't -- you were not a Democrat, right?

     

    You -- now you are one of the most powerful Democrats in America.

     

    Whatever happened after that?

     

    Whatever happened?

     

    You've raised more money than anyone ever, right?

     

    SANDERS:  No, I've raised more money than anyone ever?

     

    HAYES:  Up to this point, you are (INAUDIBLE)...

     

    SANDERS:  Oh, you mean...

     

    HAYES:  -- in primary hard dollars.

     

    SANDERS:  -- no, Hillary Clinton -- Clinton has raised more money than we have.  She has a couple of super PACs (INAUDIBLE)...

     

    HAYES:  Right.  In hard -- in hard dollars, and particularly in small donors, right, you've done (INAUDIBLE)...

     

    SANDERS:  We have -- this is -- let me be very clear about this.  I am enormously proud.  This campaign, our campaign, does not have a super PAC, does not want a super PAC.  What we have done is received over seven million individual campaign contributions, averaging $27 apiece.

     

    I am enormously proud of that.

     

    (APPLAUSE)

     

    HAYES:  So the question then is...

     

    (APPLAUSE)

     

    HAYES:  -- we have seen before, um, campaigns -- we have seen before campaigns that were able to ignite, uh, tremendous passion from folks, volunteer, knock on doors, give money, right, because of all of the things you're talking about.

     

    SANDERS:  Yes.

     

    HAYES:  And then the campaign goes away and what do you say to those folks that are supporting you about what endures from this, no matter what happens...

     

    SANDERS:  Well...

     

    HAYES:  -- in this outcome?

     

    SANDERS:  -- what I would say, for a start, it will be a lot easier for us to mobilize and endure if I am elected president of the United States (INAUDIBLE)...

     

    (APPLAUSE)

     

    SANDERS:  -- because this is why.

     

    (APPLAUSE)

     

    SANDERS:  And every day I say this, Chris, and I suspect you've heard me say it more than one, and that is that no president, not Bernie Sanders or anybody else, can transform this country in the way we have to transform it, because of the power of the big money interests.  Wall Street has an endless supply of money.  Corporate America would shut down a plant in Pennsylvania tomorrow if they can move to China and make another five bucks.  The corporate media very much determines the kind of conversation we have.

     

    Your particular station is owned by whom?

     

    HAYES:  Comcast.

     

    SANDERS:  Comcast.

     

    HAYES:  NBC Universal.

     

    SANDERS:  There we go, one of the more popular corporations in America.

     

    HAYES:  Yes.

     

    (LAUGHTER)

     

    SANDERS:  And -- and, you know, and you've got wealthy campaign contributors.  And the only way -- and let me -- let me repeat it again -- the only way we transform this country, and this I believe from the bottom of my heart -- is when millions of people stand up, fight back and demand that we have a government that represents all of us, not just the 1 percent.

     

    (APPLAUSE)

     

    HAYES:  So we've got some great folks here, uh, in the audience.  We're going to take some audience questions.

     

    The first comes from David Zakubuwetz (ph).

     

    He's a 20-year-old U Penn student who supports you.

     

    David?

     

    SANDERS:  Hi, David.

     

    DAVID ZAKUBUWETZ:  So, first, I want to say as a student, I'm very excited to be voting for the first time tomorrow for you.

     

    So thank you.

     

    SANDERS:  (INAUDIBLE).

     

    ZAKUBUWETZ:  My question is, many of your supporters are staunchly opposed to Hillary Clinton and are considering writing you in, voting for a third party candidate or not voting at all if you don't win the nomination.

     

    I believe you will win the nomination and the presidency, but if you don't, will you encourage your supporters to vote for Secretary Clinton?

     

    SANDERS:  Well, David, thanks for the question.

     

    And let me answer it, uh, in this way.  Um, first, um, I think it is, you know, we are not a movement where I can snap my fingers and say to you or to anybody else what you should do, because you won't listen to me.  You shouldn't.  Uh, you'll make these decisions yourself.

     

    I think if we end up losing -- and I hope we do not -- and if Secretary Clinton wins, it is incumbent upon her to tell millions of people who right now do not believe in establishment politics or establishment economics, who have serious misgivings about a candidate who has received millions of dollars from Wall Street and other special interests.

     

    She has got to go out to you and to millions of other people and say, yes, I think the United States should join the rest of the industrialized world and take on the private insurance companies and the greed of the drug companies and pass a Medicare for all.

     

    I think that says Secretary Clinton, that for the young people in this country, you should not have to leave college $30,000, $50,000, $70,000 in debt because we're going to make as many other countries around the world do, public colleges and universities tuition-free.  I think Secretary Clinton is going to have to explain to millions of young people and a lot of other people that climate change is a real crisis and incrementalism is just not going to solve it.  That's...

     

    (APPLAUSE)

     

    SANDERS:  (INAUDIBLE).

     

    (APPLAUSE)

     

    SANDERS:  And she is going to have to come on board and say, yes, I know it's hard, but I am going to take on the fossil fuel industry and pass a carbon tax.

     

    So the -- the point that I am making is, it is incumbent upon Secretary Clinton to reach out not only to my supporters, but to all of the American people, with an agenda that they believe will represent the interests of working families, lower income people, the middle class, those of us who are concerned about the environment and not just big money interests.

     

    HAYES:  There is -- there are Hillary Clinton supporters who I talk to, um, people who -- some of whom are -- are die hard (INAUDIBLE) they voted for her, they like you, they like your politics.  But it -- but there is concern that thing you said at the beginning of that answer strikes me as important.  You can't snap your fingers.  I mean people -- this thing is big and people are very passionate.

     

    Um, you know, you have Tim Robbins' gun event for you.  He Tweeted something today about the elections being stolen.  And Rosario Dawson mentioned Monica Lewinsky and all of that is going to come out in the wash, I agree.

     

    But the question for you is, if it's incumbent on her, what role do you have if and when you come to that moment?

     

    (APPLAUSE)

     

    SANDERS:  Good (ph).

     

    (APPLAUSE)

     

    SANDERS:  Fair question.

     

    (APPLAUSE)

     

    SANDERS:  I work with Republicans in the U.S. Senate and I see what they do in the House.  I think the Republican Party today has moved so far to the right that they are way, way, way out of touch with where the American people are.

     

    These are people who almost without exception do not even recognize the reality of climate change, let alone want to anything about it.

     

    They want to cut Social Security and give tax breaks to billionaires.  They want to end the Affordable Care Act, but they have nothing to replace it with.

     

    I will do everything in my power to make sure that no Republican gets into the White House in this election cycle.

     

    (APPLAUSE)

     

    HAYES:  Um, all right, we are going to take a quick break and we will be back right here at the National Constitution Center with more questions from the (INAUDIBLE).

     

    (APPLAUSE)

     

    (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

     

    (APPLAUSE)

     

    HAYES:  We are back here in the National Constitution Center with Bernie Sanders in a town hall.

     

    We have a question now from Becky Cerna (ph), who is at U Penn studying nursing and is undecided.

     

    Becky?

     

    BECKY CERNA:  Hi.  My name is Becky and my parents are undocumented immigrants who arrived from Mexico so that I could have opportunities that they could only dream of.  This has come with a life full of personal sacrifices and economic hardship.

     

    You propose to implement immigration reform that will create a path to full and equal citizenship.

     

    How will you ensure that after implementation, immigrants like my grand -- like my parents, aren't treated as second class citizens?

     

    SANDERS:  Um, Becky, thank you for the question.

     

    Uh, we have 11 million undocumented people in this country today.  Many of them are being exploited because when you don't have any legal rights, your employer can take advantage of you.

     

    Many of them are living in fear and living in the shadows.

     

    So I believe absolutely that we have to move aggressively toward comprehensive immigration reform.

     

    My dad was an immigrant.  He came to this country at the age of 17.  I know a little bit about the immigrant experience.

     

    Comprehensive immigration reform and a path toward citizenship.

     

    Now, my concern is that if Congress does not do what it should do and pass that legislation, I will pick up where President Obama left office and use the executive powers of the presidency to do everything that I can to make your parents safe in this country and not afraid.

     

    And the other thing that I will do, where I do disagree with President Obama, I will end the deportations (INAUDIBLE).

     

    (APPLAUSE)

     

    HAYES:  All right, um, we now have Natalie Herbert.

     

    She is getting a PhD from the Annenberg School of Communications at U Penn and supports Hillary Clinton.

     

    NATALIE HERBERT:  Thank you, Senator Sanders.

     

    SANDERS:  Thank you.

     

    HERBERT:  So much of your campaign rhetoric is about revolutionary politics.  But so much of a president's job is inherently tied to institutions and bureaucracies as they exist.

     

    So, how do you keep the revolutionary spirit alive despite these constraints?

     

    SANDERS:  OK.  Thank you.

     

    Um, you're right in saying that a lot of the day to day work is going to take place in Capitol Hill and it's messy and there's a lot of negotiating.  What I will tell you is that when I was in the House, in a given number of years, I ended up passing more amendments on the floor of the House working with Republicans than any other member of the House.  I can work with Republicans.

     

    Just a few years ago, I helped pass, as chairman of the Senate Veterans Committee, the most comprehensive veterans legislation in modern history...

     

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    SANDERS:  -- working with John McCain and a number of other Republicans.

     

    So if the question is, can I sit down, you know, with conservative people like Chris here and negotiate with them...

     

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    SANDERS:  -- yes, I can do that.

     

    But let me also say this, and this is important.  At the end of the day, the powers that be, the powers who control -- people who control the Congress, the big money interests and Wall Street, they are not going to allow the kind of real change that this country needs, raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour, ending our disastrous trade policies so that corporate America starts investing in this country rather than China, making sure that women do not continue to earn 79 cents on the dollar compared to men, aggressively addressing climate change, making sure that public colleges and universities are tuition-free.

     

    That is not going to be done by Congress itself.  That requires a political revolution.  And as president of the United States, what I would do is use the bully pulpit in an unprecedented way to rally the American people to demand that the Congress listens to their needs, not just the needs of wealthy campaign contributors.

     

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    HAYES:  President Obama...

     

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    HAYES:  -- President Obama, when he came into office, had this new, unprecedented thing called Obama for America, right, where they...

     

    SANDERS:  Yes.

     

    HAYES:  -- they basically preserved the campaign organization...

     

    SANDERS:  Right.

     

    HAYES:  -- and...

     

    SANDERS:  Right.

     

    HAYES:  -- full disclosure, my brother worked for them.  He was an organizer.  Um, and that proved tough, in a lot of ways, for it to work.  Um, part of that, I think, had to do with the inherent tension between being the president of the United States and outside power.

     

    What have you learned from that?

     

    What is the model, if that -- if that seemed to not do what you're talking about...

     

    SANDERS:  Actually, I talked to the president about that.  And from what he, you know, indicated, it's tough.  And it is tough.  It is really tough.

     

    Uh, but I think that one of the most important things that a president can do is to help ordinary people come together in a variety of grassroots organizations to put the pressure on the Congress to counterbalance the pressure that Wall Street and wealthy campaign contributors now exert.

     

    For example, let me just give you one example and on this one, I am 100 percent sure that I'm right.

     

    If the young people of this country stood up and were very loud and clear that they are sick and tired of leaving college $30,000, $50,000, $70,000 in debt, that they want public colleges and universities tuition-free, and if millions of them stood up, started emailing, writing and demonstrating, without the slightest doubt, that is exactly what would happen.

     

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    SANDERS:  So the question is, this is what the American people want.

     

    The question is, how we put together...

     

    HAYES:  Right.

     

    SANDERS:  -- that type of grassroots organization...

     

    HAYES:  But that's a hard thing to do.

     

    SANDERS:  It is a hard thing to do.  But for the future of this country, that is exactly what has to be done.

     

    Let me say this about the president...

     

    HAYES:  Yes.

     

    SANDERS:  -- somebody I love and have enormous respect for.  I think because he is such a decent guy, in many respects, he actually believed that he could walk into the Oval Office and sit down with Republicans and negotiate in good faith.  He was wrong about that.  Republicans had no intention of ever negotiating in good faith.  What they wanted to do was obstruct, obstruct, obstruct in an unprecedented way.

     

    And it took the president a number of years to learn that lesson.  He knows it now and that's why his pen (ph) and executive orders are flying out.  I have learned that lesson.  I will know that when I get into the Oval Office.

     

    HAYES:  Do you predict that would -- whoever the Democratic president, should there be a Democratic president elected in January of next year, do you believe they will be met with functionally that same attitude?

     

    SANDERS:  Yes.  I think the Republican Party, as I mentioned a moment ago, has moved very, very far to the right.  Obviously they are beholden to the wealthy corporate interests, but they are now also beholden to an extreme right wing base, you know, people who are active in the horrific, you know, Trump ethic, on the birther movement, people who are very hostile to immigrants.

     

    You see Trump talking about and referring to Mexicans as racists and criminals, wanting to ban Muslims from coming into this country.  And those concepts do have a certain support.

     

    So do I think if I became president that we'd run into that type of obstructionism?  Yes, I do.

     

    HAYES:  Terry (ph) Smith, legal aid lawyer, undecided until the issue that she is going to, I believe, ask you a question about.

     

    QUESTION:  Senator Sanders, I was surprised and disappointed to hear you oppose Philadelphia's efforts to bring universal preschool to all kids through a tax on big soda distributors.  Here in Pennsylvania we have a state legislature that doesn't adequately fund our existing public schools, and importantly, we also have a constitution that prohibits us from taxing just the wealthy.

     

    So given those constraints, I'm interested in hearing your ideas for funding winnable anti-poverty agendas like pre-K for all.

     

    SANDERS:  First of all, please do not be disappointed in my views on pre-K.  I believe that we have right now in my state and in Pennsylvania a dysfunctional pre-K system, which is a national disgrace.  That we have child care workers who make less than McDonald's employees, where we have parents who cannot find quality affordable childcare.  

     

    We have kids who are entering school way behind because they are not getting the intellectual or emotional nourishment that they need.  I believe absolutely, and if elected president one of my priorities would be to establish a cutting-edge high-quality pre-K system in every state in this country.  I can't think of many things that are more important to me than that.

     

    But when it comes to funding these programs, at a time when we have massive income and wealth inequality, when the top one-tenth of 1 percent now owns almost as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent, when 58 percent of all the income goes to the top 1 percent, to ask poor people to pay for that, it's wrong.  You are taking money from the people who are hurting the most.

     

    So please count me in as somebody who will aggressively lead the effort for universal, high quality childcare, but I believe it has to be funded in a progressive way.  The wealthy and large corporations are going to have to pay for it.

     

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    HAYES:  A follow-up on that because I think it's a really tricky issue and there are people of all kinds of politics on either side of the issue.  You know, the big soda companies are on the same side of that, right.  And they have poured -- I saw them pour millions of dollars in New York City to fight that.  And that's their argument, right.  I mean, how do you feel when you end up on the same side as them?

     

    SANDERS:  Look, big soda companies will do what they do.  And let me also be clear.  I am more than aware of the negative role that sugar is playing in terms of obesity and health in the United States.  But what we have got to do is to have progressive taxation.

     

    Look, and I don't want to have to repeat it, the truth is the very, very rich are becoming much richer.  Almost everybody else is becoming poor.  It is absurd to go to some of the poorest people and raise their taxes.  And by the way, this tax, if I recall, is three cents an ounce.  Twelve ounce bottle of soda, that's 36 cents, times five sodas week, that's two bucks, 100 bucks a year.  If you don't have a lot of money, you know, that's a lot.

     

    So I think what we have got to do is to understand that nationally we need progressive taxation.  There are corporations, Chris, right now who make billions of dollars a year in profit, stash their money in the Cayman Islands, not paying a nickel in federal taxes.  I intend to and that.

     

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    There are multimillionaires and hedge fund operators who pay an effective tax rate lower than many of the people here.  I intend to end that.

     

    So the argument is not whether we have a high quality pre-K system.  We must do that.  The argument is that we have got to fund it by asking the wealthiest people who are doing phenomenally well to start paying their fair share of taxes.

     

    HAYES:  Going to take a quick break, and we've got some more from the National Constitution Center in just a minute.  Don't go anywhere.

     

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    HAYES:  We are back at the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.  We've got a whole bunch of folks with questions on the issues, and Senator Bernie Sanders who wants to answer those questions.  Do not go anywhere.  We will be back with much, much more.

     

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    HAYES:  We are back at the National Constitution Center with Senator Bernie Sanders, candidate for the Democratic nominee for president.  And our next question comes from Suleiman Rahman (ph), who is 48 years old and undecided.  Mr. Rahman.

     

    QUESTION:  I want to ask a similar question that was posed to Secretary Clinton about there has been a lot of talk around mass incarceration.  Can you speak to, as president, how you will address the issue around the collateral consequences of convictions around housing, around employment, around education.

     

    SANDERS:  Thank you for that important question.  As a nation we should be profoundly embarrassed that we have more people in jail than any other country on earth.  We spend $80 billion a year locking up 2.2 million people, disproportionately African-American, Latino and Native American.

     

    For a thought, what I would propose is when we have unemployment rates of minority kids of 40 or 50 percent, that maybe it makes more sense to invest in jobs and education for those kids rather than jail and incarceration.

     

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    Second of all, we need to end over-policing, and we need to de-militarize local police departments so they don't look like occupying forces.

     

    Thirdly, we need to make police departments reflect the diversity of the communities they serve.  Number four, we need to make sure that we end private ownership of prisons and detention centers.  And very importantly, and Secretary Clinton and I have a big difference of opinion on this, I think we really need to rethink the war on drugs.

     

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    Now it turns out that in the last 30 years millions of people have received criminal records because of possession of marijuana.  And it turns out also, interestingly enough, that the white community and the black community do marijuana at about equal levels.  But blacks are four times more likely to be arrested than whites.  So this becomes a racial issue and not just a criminal justice issue.

     

    I would take marijuana out of the Federal Controlled Substance Act.

     

    HAYES:  Senator, some of sort of the knock-on effects of a criminal justice conviction, particularly a felony conviction, that Mr. Rahman just mentioned, are punitive across the board, right.  Student aid, living in public housing.  Some of that comes from the '94 crime bill.

     

    That was a bill that you got on the floor and said there was a lot about this bill I don't like.  You also voted for it.  Was that a mistake?

     

    SANDERS:  Well, it's one of these things where you have a -- has the bill had absolutely horrendous impact in terms of mass incarceration?  Absolutely.  Is that an awful thing?  Yes it is.  It also had in it, when you sit there and vote, the Violence Against Women Act.  And I worked very hard as the mayor of Burlington, Vermont, trying to end domestic violence.

     

    It also had in it, as you know, the ban on assault weapons.  And I have believed from way back when that assault weapons should not be sold or distributed in the United States of America.  These are weapons design not for hunting but to kill people.

     

    So, you know, I could see if I had voted against the bill, you know, there would be 30-second ads saying, Bernie Sanders didn't vote to ban assault weapons, didn't support women in the fight against domestic violence.

     

    But here is the more important point.  It has had a disastrous impact and we've got to undo the damage that it caused.

     

    HAYES:  Obviously you can't go back in time, right.  But you learn things about votes -- because all votes, frankly, have some stuff on one side or the other.  I mean, do you wish you had that vote back?

     

    (Crosstalk)

     

    SANDERS:  I wish I had a different piece of legislation.  I wish that I could vote for the Violence Against Women Act.  And I want to see assault weapons banned in the United States, weapons that were used in Sandy Hook and in other areas.

     

    So what we need to do, it doesn't -- you know, 1994 was a long time ago.  What we need to do now is address this very serious issue.  And I have said this.  Let me repeat it again, that if elected president, by the end of my first term we will not have more people in jail than any other country.

     

    Now the other point that you made, and I thought you were going there, is many people who have felonies in this country, believe it or not 2 million people, lose their right to vote and participate in the political process.  My state of Vermont is one of the few states that allows felons to vote.  I think we should do that nationally.

     

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    HAYES:  It's been interesting to watch the '94 crime bill being debated in this.  I think in the case of Secretary Clinton, if you asked her or people said, what's the biggest vote she regrets, I think people would say it's Iraq.  I think she would say that.  That's a sort of obvious answer to that.

     

    What is your answer to that question?  What is the piece of legislation in the 40 years you have done this where you think to yourself, I got that one wrong?

     

    SPEAKER:  (OFF MIKE)

     

    SANDERS:  Well, you know, Chris, it's hard.  I've cast many, many thousands of votes, and there was one vote where it was almost unanimous in the House on de-regulating derivatives and so forth.  I should've voted the other way.  I mean, like four people -- you know, I had help lead the effort against de-regulation.  That was a bad vote.

     

    But I'll tell you something.  As I look back on my voting record, you know, Secretary Clinton -- and I don't mean to be overly partisan here -- supported DOMA in 1996, and that is the Defense of Marriage Act, which I think she has since apologized for.  It was a homophobic piece of legislation.  Back then it was not easy to vote against that piece of legislation, all right.  I voted against that piece of legislation.

     

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    Back in the early 1990s, when all of corporate America and all Republicans and many Democrats were pushing these disastrous trade agreements, NAFTA and later CAFTA and permanent noble trade relations with China, I didn't vote for any of them.  I helped lead the opposition to them.

     

    So I'm not saying by any means that after thousands of those I did not cast a bad vote.  I did.  But I will say that time and time again I took on issues and voted -- cast votes that were unpopular at the time but turned out years later -- whether it's the vote against the war in Iraq, the vote against trade agreements, voting against DOMA, voting against the first Gulf war.  Those are votes that I cast.  They were not popular votes.  Those are the votes that I cast, and I'm proud of casting those votes.

     

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    HAYES:  We'll be back with much more with Senator Sanders and live questions at the National Constitution Center in just a bit.  Don't go anywhere.

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    HAYES:  We're back at National Constitution Center in Philadelphia, site of one of tomorrow's five big contests in the primary, and we have a question now from (Miguel Garces), he's 29 years old and he is supporting Senator Sanders.

     

    QUESTION:  Senator Sanders, you said that you think that the U.S. airstrikes are authorized under current law, but does that mean that the U.S. military can lawfully strike ISIS-affiliated groups in any country around the world?

     

    SANDERS:  No, it does not mean that. I hope, by the way, that we will have an authorization passed by the Congress, and I am prepared to support that authorization if it is tight enough so I am satisfied that we do not get into a never-ending perpetual war in the Middle East. That I will do everything I can to avoid.

     

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    But the President, no President, has the ability willy-nilly to be dropping bombs or using drones any place he wants.

     

    HAYES:  The current authorization which you cite in what Miguel just quoted which is the authorization to use military force after 9/11. That has led to the kill list. This President -- literally, there is a kill list. There is a list of people that the U.S. government wants to kill, and it goes about doing it. Would you keep the kill list as President of the United States?

     

    SANDERS:  Look. Terrorism is a very serious issue. There are people out there who want to kill Americans, who want to attack this country, and I think we have a lot of right to defend ourselves. I think as Miguel said, though, it has to be done in a constitutional, legal way.

     

    HAYES:  Do you think what's being done now is constitutional and legal?

     

    SANDERS:  In general I do, yes.

     

    HAYES:  One more question -- the announcement today that the U.S. is going to send 250 Special Forces operators on the ground in Syria. Do you agree with that? Do you think that's permissible, given the fact that there has not been an authorization?

     

    SANDERS:  I think the -- look. Here's the bottom line. ISIS has got to be destroyed, and the way that ISIS must be destroyed is not through American troops fighting on the ground. ISIS must be destroyed and King Abdullah of Jordan has made this clear, that the war is for the soul of Islam and it must be won by the Muslim nations themselves.

     

    I think what the President is talking about is having American troops training Muslim troops, helping to supply the military equipment they need, and I do support that effort. We need a broad coalition of Muslim troops on the ground. We have had some success in the last year or so putting ISIS on the defensive, we've got to continue that effort.

     

    HAYES:  All right, the next question comes from (Monica Hunt).

     

    QUESTION:  Hello. How do you plan on protecting women's reproductive rights in all states?

     

    SANDERS:  You got it. I do. And I'll tell you how.

     

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    I have a 100 percent, lifetime pro-choice voting record. I believe --

     

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    Not only do I vigorously oppose Republican efforts to defund Planned Parenthood, I think we should expand funding for Planned Parenthood ---

     

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    And it is no secret that in states all over this country, in a dozen different ways, there are governors and legislatures who are trying to make it impossible for a woman to control her own body.

     

    I will use the Department of Justice to go after those states in every way that I legally can. I believe that in the United States of America women have that right to control their own body, and I find that, I must say, completely hypocritical for my Republican colleagues who tell us every day how much they hate government, how they want to get government out of our life, but they think that local state and federal government have the right to tell you and every woman in America what she can do with her body.

     

    That is hypocrisy.

     

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    HAYES:  There's a very big abortion case before this eight member Court that is a challenge to the Texas law. That Texas law -- many people believe essentially it upheld death-row inmates in all but name. Meaning it wouldn't overturn it (CROSS TALK) how bid a deal is that court case to you?

     

    SANDERS:  Of course it's a big deal. And by the way, that is why it goes without saying, that if elected President, I will appoint or nominate people to the Supreme Court who number one are prepared to overturn Citizens United, a disaster and a (poor decision) and number two, absolutely protect a woman's right to choose.

     

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    HAYES:  This has obviously been a contentious fight, on the Democratic side, although not, I think, the most contentious. There have been -- I went down in the archives to look at 2008, it got pretty ugly --

     

    SANDERS:  Yeah it did.

     

    HAYES:  -- and you know 1980 on the Republican side got pretty ugly and Kennedy and Carter -- there's a long list. One of the things that happens, sometimes in those contested intramural disputes is someone had the other person serve on their ticket or in their administration. Would you consider that in this case, either having Hillary Clinton on your ticket or being on hers?

     

    SANDERS:  Well let me just answer that question in exactly the way you knew I would answer it. And that is to say right now we are running as hard as we can to win this thing, and at the end of the process we'll take a look at what's going on, but right now my job is to get as many delegates as possible and try to win the nomination for President.

     

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    But you knew that that would be my answer.

     

    HAYES:  Well we try.

     

    I've interviewed you probably dozens of times since you started running for President, and before that. And what’s happened in this campaign in some ways is things you've been talking about haven’t changed that much between before you were running for President and running for President. But you have found an audience for them that is bigger, I think it's fair to say, than when you were just a United States Senator from Vermont.

     

    You have also had to go out and politic in places where you didn't have to politic before. You're from Vermont. You've been in Baltimore, you've been in Philadelphia, been in Chicago. You are trying to run the Obama coalition, right? You are trying to -- you're running in the party of the first black president. What have you learned on this campaign about race in America, about the way this coalition operates? What have you learned -- what have you come away thinking, "I did not know before I ran for President, this, and now I know?"

     

    SANDERS:  How many hours do we have to discuss that? I mean, one of the extraordinary things about the experience of running for President is you learn just so, so much, and you meet so many extraordinary people.

     

    We have been -- I have been, obviously, to Flint, Michigan -- and let me tell you something Chris. I will never forget that experience as long as I live talking to a mother who described to me the breakdown of the cognitive capabilities of her daughter because that daughter was drinking poisoned water.

     

    And you ask yourself how that could possibly happen in the United States of America. You've heard me being critical of media more times than one, but I think people in America really don't know, not only what’s going on in Flint, Michigan, they don't know that the Detroit public school system is on the verge of a fiscal collapse. They don't know that in Baltimore, Maryland there are tens of thousands of heroin addicts. They don't know that in inner cities all over this country people are paying 40, 50, 60 percent of their limited incomes for housing, that there is not enough affordable housing. People do not really know what is going on in African-American communities where kids are suffering 40, 50, 60 percent rates of unemployment and what I have learned in this campaign, is if I get elected President we are gonna change national priorities.

     

    We're not just gonna rebuild communities in Iraq and Afghanistan, we're going to rebuild them in the United States of America.

     

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    Hayes:  Senator Sanders, thank you very much. Everyone here at National Constitution Center, we thank you very much, (regret to leave) all these wonderful folks.

     

    Up next don't go anywhere, Rachel Maddow hosts another super town hall event with Hillary Clinton.

     

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