Today on “Morning Joe,” Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) said, “Yes,” he will vote for Hillary Clinton in November. Rush transcript and video are below. Mandatory credit: MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.”
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WILLIE GEIST: Joining us now, Democratic presidential candidate, Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont. Senator, always good to see you, sir.
BERNIE SANDERS: Good to be with you.
GEIST: Your reaction to the vote overnight, did the people o Great Britain make the right call here?
SANDERS: Well, I don't live in great Britain, but I’ll tell you what I think.
What worries me very much is the breaking down of international cooperation. Europe in the 20th century, as we all know, the kind of blood that was shed there was – is unimaginable. You never want to see that again.
On the other hand, I think what this vote is about is an indication that the global economy is not working for everybody, you know? It's not working in the United States for everybody and it's not working in the U.K. for everybody. When you see, you know, investors going to China and shutting down factories in this country, and laying off over a period of many years, millions of people are saying, you know what, global economy may be great for some people, not for me.
So what we need to do is create a situation where there is more international cooperation. We put an end to these horrific wars that we have seen over the years. But at the same time, we do not forget about the people left behind and we make sure that we have jobs, and income and health care for all of our people.
GEIST: So, based off what you said then is withdraw from the E.U. then a mistake for the U.K. ?
SANDERS: I'll let the people in the U.K. make that decision.
NICOLLE WALLACE: Turning back to – to our country's broiling politics, are you going to vote for Hillary Clinton in November?
SANDERS: Yes, yes, I think the issue right here is I'm going to do everything I can to defeat Donald Trump. I think Trump in so many ways will be a disaster for this country, if he were to be elected president.
We do not need a president whose cornerstone of his campaign is – is bigotry, is insulting Mexicans, and Latinos, and Muslims and women; who does not believe in the reality of climate change when virtually every scientist who has studied this issue understands we have a global crisis. This is not somebody who should become president.
What my job right now is is to fight for the strongest possible platform in the Democratic convention and as we speak in St. Louis, that's going on right now. And that means a platform that represents working people that stands up to big money interests and that's what we're trying to do.
WALLACE: So your vote will be a vote for Hillary Clinton or against Donald trump?
SANDERS: Well, look, I don’t want to parse words right now. What I am trying to do right now is to make sure that the Democratic party becomes the party that represents working people, not Wall Street, that is prepared…
WALLACE: So is it…
SANDERS: … that is prepared to have an agenda that speaks to the need of creating millions of jobs, raising the minimum wage to $15.00 an hour, dealing with climate change, dealing with pay equity. Those are the issues that we need to have not only in a platform, but we need Democratic leadership to be implemented.
GEIST: So Senator, just to put a button on this, you said, you'll vote for Hillary Clinton, which means you won't vote for yourself. Have you accepted now that you won’t be the nominee?
SANDERS: I'm pretty good at arithmetic, and what I know is that Hillary Clinton has more pledged delegates than I do, and she has a lot more super-delegates than I do.
But what I also know is we're bringing 1,900 delegates into the convention, that we have received 13 million votes and that what I am going to be doing right now, and I'm starting this afternoon, heading to Syracuse for an event this evening, is we are – we are going to be urging millions of people to get involved in the political process.
You may recall last week I did a speech on the Internet, and I said, get involved and – and run for school board, run for city council, run for state legislation. You know how many people responded? 20,000 people. So, what we want to do is reinvigorate the Democratic party, bring new blood in and have a party that represents working people.
GEIST: So if you – if you -- Senator, if you’ve accepted the arithmetic of – of the race and you realize that she's likely to become the nominee, why not withdraw from the race?
SANDERS: Why would I want to do that when I want to fight to make sure that we have the best platform that we possibly can, that we win the most delegates that we can and that we transform -- the goal of our campaign was to transform this nation.
WALLACE: So, the disunity isn't putting any disadvantage against Donald Trump?
SANDERS: Look, you talk about disunity, I talk about involving the American people in the political process and wanting to have a government and a party that represents all of us.
When you have disunity, what we're talking about is kids can't – can’t afford to go to college or leaving college $50,000 in debt, people dying because they don't get to a doctor when they should. Talk about disunity is the fact that we have 47 million people living in poverty. What we want is a government that represents all of us and that's what I intend to fight for.
BARNICLE: So I -- I’ve been writing about you off and on and listening to your voice off and on.
SANDERS: Oh, I know that, Mike.
GEIST: For years, and years and years you’ve been talking about the same issues consistently for 50 years.
And now in your presidential campaign, you just referenced it, you know, people's needs, working people’s needs, jobs leaving this country.
GEIST: But it seems today, and yesterday's vote is another indication of it, this tide of globalization that cannot be stopped. And millions of people in this country and in Europe basically asking themselves, where do I fit in this going forward? Where do they fit?
SANDERS: Mike, that's the right question. And that's – that’s a question that we should be always asking and I’ve asked 20 years ago.
I was in Indiana a few months ago. Two factories there being shut down, over 2,000 workers thrown out on the street. Company, United Technologies, a very profitable corporation moving to Monterrey, Mexico, paying people $3.00 an hour. What do you think the people in Indiana feel about globalization? What we have to do is create an economy, and this is not that hard, that works for all of us, not just the people on top.
Unfettered free trade may be good for multinational corporations. You know what? It is not good for the middle class and many workers. So, we have got to shape trade policies and you can do that. American workers, in my view, should not have to compete against people in Vietnam who make a minimum wage of $00.65 an hour. That's my view. And you know what? I think most people agree with that.
Does that mean to say we build a wall around America, that you don’t have any trade? That is absolutely not what I am saying. Trade is a good thing. International cooperation is imperative, but you have to pay attention to the working people in this country, not just to the CEOs who love these things, who write these trade agreements.
GEIST: We have got a lot more to talk about with Senator Bernie Sanders. A very quick break and much more with Senator Bernie Sanders, right after this.
GEIST: We are back now with presidential candidate, Senator Bernie Sanders.
Senator, I was watching your speech last night here in New York City and you said something that jumped out to me. To the audience and the people watching at home, you said never lose your sense of outrage.
What did you mean by that in a specific way?
SANDERS: We walk down the streets and see people sleeping out on the streets. We know that there are schools in this country where more people who grad -- leave those schools will end up in jail than will graduate college.
We have a grotesque level of income and wealth inequality, such as the top one tenth of one percent now owns as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent. This is outrageous, outrageous, outrageous and no American should accept that. And what we have got to do is fight for a country that works for all of us.
This is not utopian -- you know, visionary thinking. We have the technology, we have the wealth to do that. Why are we the only major country on earth that doesn't guarantee health care to all people? You tell me. Are we too dumb, we can't do it? Why do we not do what Germany does and make sure that we have free tuition at public colleges and universities. That is a good investment for America.
Why do we have the highest rate of childhood poverty of almost any major country on earth? These are things we should be outraged at. And yet, for a variety of reasons, you know, those issues are pushed aside and we're told how wonderful everything is. Well, it's not wonderful if you're a working person.
BARNICLE: Go ahead, Steve.
RATTNER: Let me ask you, if I could, two sort of economic questions. You alluded in the earlier segment to the carrier (ph) Indiana -- the plant -- carrier plant in Indiana, excuse me, that was moving to Mexico and that's something that Donald Trump has talked a lot about on the campaign trail as well.
So given that both of you guys have identified this as the kind of thing that shouldn't happen in America, he has one solution. I suspect you might have a different solution. What would you do about the problem of a carrier type plant moving to Mexico?
SANDERS: I think you need to develop a trade policy which says if you want to shut down in America, you want to move abroad, you want to pay people $3 an hour in Mexico, you know what, you're not going to bring your products back to this country tariff free. And by the way, in terms of...
RATTNER: Isn't that what Donald Trump says?
SANDERS: Well, so what? I mean, it's not a new idea.
RATTNER: I'm just asking.
SANDERS: Yeah, you know, in it terms of United Technologies, here's what else you do. United Technologies, as I recall, gets about $5 billion a year in defense contracts. And maybe the president sits down with United Technologies and say, you know what, if you want to benefit from defense contracts, you might be a good citizen and you might -- take the needs of the American worker into consideration. I think those are some of the things...
WALLACE: There could be -- I'm sorry,
RATTNER: (Inaudible) my other part. Hillary Clinton gave an economic speech a couple days ago in which she talked about no student should graduate from a public school with debt. She talked about raising taxes on the rich. Some things that sounded very reminiscent of the things that you're saying. Do you feel that she's moved your way? Do you feel like she's moved your way enough?
SANDERS: Well, you know, the devil is in the details. I believe that in the year 2016 when you talk about public education it should mean that public colleges and universities are tuition free. And there are other things that you can do and that's what I want to see happen.
Has Hillary Clinton taken some of the positions or moved to some degree where we are in terms of the TPP, in terms of the Keystone Pipeline, maybe in terms of Social Security? Yeah, I think she has to some degree. But nowhere near as far as I think we need to go.
BARNICLE: We just played, obviously, before you got here, a clip from Donald Trump's press conference live from Scotland. He says many of the same things there that he says here around the country during his campaign.
What do you hear when he says, quote, "People want to take their country back again," unquote. What do you hear?
SANDERS: Well, I hear a phony. I hear a multibillionaire. I hear a very arrogant egotistical man who will say anything to try to get votes and I have zero respect for anybody who tries to get votes by insulting Mexicans or Muslims or women.
So I think you got a political opportunist of the worst kind. I don't think he believes in anything. I think the -- I would not -- you know, I have used this word. If you know me well enough, you know that I don't go around attacking personally other people.
He's a pathological liar. That's not just me who is saying that. It's -- in the media who covers him. Guy says one thing on one day and the next thing he says -- the next day something else. So that's kind of my views (ph) on Trump.
WALLACE: Sir, 55 percent of your supporters have said that should you not be the nominee, they will support Hillary Clinton. Do you have, in your mind, a higher number than that? Do you want 100 percent of your supporters to get behind -- and what will you do to move that number up if that is one of your goals?
SANDERS: Well, one of my goals -- my major goal is to make sure that Trump does not become president of the United States. My other major goal right now is to make sure that we have a stronger House and Senate as possible. I'm going to do everything I can to see the Democrats regain control of the Senate, that we win as many seats in the House, win as many governors races.
And by the way, that we create a movement. What we're trying to do now is to create a movement within the Democratic Party of progressives who are going to run for election from the school board on up to the United States Congress.
GEIST: A lot of Democrats have said, Senator, could he not simultaneously continue the movement, keeping out their supporting candidates and support Hillary Clinton as the nominee. Why don't you go at it at that way?
SANDERS: Well we have talked -- you know, we -- are in discussions, frankly, with the Clinton camp. And it would be of no great shock to you that what we want from them is to be very, very strong on a number of issues.
WALLACE: On policy.
SANDERS: On policy issues, absolutely. You know, I want -- I would like Hillary Clinton to say, you know what, yeah, public colleges and universities should be tuition free. Can we do other things? Yeah, we can.
I would like to see Hillary Clinton move us closer. She's not going to adopt my view of a Medicare for all single-payer program. I know that. But I would like to see her go a lot further than she has in making sure that we're moving toward a day in the very near future where all of our people have health care as a right, not a privilege.
GEIST: Okay. As we leave you, I know you have to get going, I want to play for you one thing. I don't know if you saw this young man named Jack Aiello, an eighth grader from the Chicago area at his high school graduation did an impersonation of all the presidential candidates, including you. Jimmy Fallon then invited him on his show. Here's Jack Aiello doing Bernie Sanders.
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JACK AIELLO, IMPRESSIONIST (as Little Donald Trump): You know, it's just fantastic to be here. It's just fantastic.
JIMMY FALLON, HOST OF THE TONIGHT SHOW (as Donald Trump): Isn't it beautiful? Isn't it terrific?
AIELLO: Down boy, down.
FALLON: Down boy. Down boy. Easy -- easy, boy.
AIELLO: Easy, easy, easy.
FALLON: Hey little Donald, I've got an idea. Let's prank call Hillary. Here. You pretend to be Bernie Sanders.
AIELLO: Hello, Secretary Clinton, this is Senator Bernie Sanders. Is your refrigerator running? Well, so am I! And I'm never, ever dropping out!
FALLON: Genius. That's genius. Where did you learn all these amazing impressions?
AIELLO: Trump University, which is terrific, by the way.
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GEIST: How's Jack's Bernie Sanders?
SANDERS: That's pretty good.
WALLACE: And if you're not laughing, you're crying, right?
GEIST: Senator Bernie Sanders, we always really appreciate your time.
WALLACE: Thank you.
GEIST: Thanks so much for being here.
SANDERS: Thank you.